Trading sucks.

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robmafia wrote:
yeah, sure. let me just stop and type things out while i'm swarmed by delve bugs as my cart runs away. sounds like a great idea.

it definitely makes more sense than reaching a safe spot and then responding. /s


Lol, half-assed excuse.

If you can't be bothered to type "/afk In a delve and can't respond right away, will reply as soon as I'm able" before you go delving, that's entirely on you, and you deserve to get your listings removed from trade.

I'm sorry for having more confidence in your ability to utilize the features in the game more than you do.
PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds.

Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build!

And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley
Last edited by Pizzarugi#6258 on Sep 25, 2019, 4:52:46 PM
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Pizzarugi wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
yeah, sure. let me just stop and type things out while i'm swarmed by delve bugs as my cart runs away. sounds like a great idea.

it definitely makes more sense than reaching a safe spot and then responding. /s


Lol, half-assed excuse.

If you can't be bothered to type "/afk In a delve and can't respond right away, will reply as soon as I'm able" before you go delving, that's entirely on you, and you deserve to get your listings removed from trade.

I'm sorry for having more confidence in your ability to utilize the features in the game more than you do.


lolz @ saying that and then following it up with quite a stretch.

super lolz @ /afk followed by... MOVING/ACTIONS, WHICH TURNS AFK OFF.
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"Your forum signature was removed as it was considered to be inappropriate and a breach of our Code of Conduct."

...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz!
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robmafia wrote:
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Pizzarugi wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
yeah, sure. let me just stop and type things out while i'm swarmed by delve bugs as my cart runs away. sounds like a great idea.

it definitely makes more sense than reaching a safe spot and then responding. /s


Lol, half-assed excuse.

If you can't be bothered to type "/afk In a delve and can't respond right away, will reply as soon as I'm able" before you go delving, that's entirely on you, and you deserve to get your listings removed from trade.

I'm sorry for having more confidence in your ability to utilize the features in the game more than you do.


lolz @ saying that and then following it up with quite a stretch.

super lolz @ /afk followed by... MOVING/ACTIONS, WHICH TURNS AFK OFF.


Then "/dnd In a delve and can't respond right now"

The options are there, dude, but go ahead and keep making up excuses to not use the features in a game.

EDIT:
Just found out "/autoreply" also exists. There is no excuse to justify why you can't tell people you're too busy to respond to trade messages.
PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds.

Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build!

And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley
Last edited by Pizzarugi#6258 on Sep 25, 2019, 5:11:23 PM
backpedaling that hard, i hope you didn't sprain your wrist typing that.

i'm quite content being on your ignore list.
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"Your forum signature was removed as it was considered to be inappropriate and a breach of our Code of Conduct."

...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz!
"Backpedaling"

Whatever makes you feel better about your inability, or laziness, to utilize features in the game to let people know you're not available to trade immediately and avoid having your listings blocked as a potential price fixer.

It's sad, but whatever.
PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds.

Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build!

And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley
Last edited by Pizzarugi#6258 on Sep 25, 2019, 6:02:44 PM
let me get this straight, it's MY fault that YOU jump to conclusions?

THAT'S your argument? and you wonder why i pointed out backpedaling (from replying while delving to /ahk that wouldn't even work (lolz!) to dnd (which defeats the purpose, anyway)...
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"Your forum signature was removed as it was considered to be inappropriate and a breach of our Code of Conduct."

...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz!
I try to remember to use /dnd when I'm going to delve for long periods but I often forget. Too excited about my full load of sulphite. Usually I will do it after getting a message that I can't reply to. It goes like this:

Buyer: I want to by your whatever for this much.
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... 1 minute later
Me: Hey, sorry about that. I was in the middle of a delve run. Still interested in whatever for this much?
Buyer: Nope, found it elsewhere and flagged you as a price fixer. Dick. /ignored
Me: Cool, glad to hear it. I'm a horrible person and deserve that.
Me: /dnd In a delve. Don't hate me.

I'd rather someone assume I'm forgetful than assume I'm a price fixer. Well, actually, I would prefer it if people stopped assuming shit altogether but that ain't gonna happen.

Oh, and if it's a blighted map, that time frame might be 2-3 minutes. An eternity in Path of Entitlement.
POE Serenity Prayer: GGG, grant me the serenity to accept the RNG I cannot change,
the courage to challenge any unbalanced content, and the wisdom to avoid the forums.
Mad: "Oh, it's simple and if you insist... I just think you're a dick. That's all."
QFT: 4TRY4C&4NO
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robmafia wrote:
let me get this straight, it's MY fault that YOU jump to conclusions?

THAT'S your argument? and you wonder why i pointed out backpedaling (from replying while delving to /ahk that wouldn't even work (lolz!) to dnd (which defeats the purpose, anyway)...


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EDIT:
Just found out "/autoreply" also exists. There is no excuse to justify why you can't tell people you're too busy to respond to trade messages.


Literally in the same post, there's no way you didn't see this before responding. Are you kidding me right now?

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Or are you deliberately ignoring things to justify your laziness to use chat functions to let potential buyers know you can't respond right away?
PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds.

Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build!

And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley
Last edited by Kane_GGG#0000 on Sep 25, 2019, 10:53:07 PM
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Pizzarugi wrote:

Lol, half-assed excuse.


Oh, something smells in here... oh right, I know this smell, it's a 'BS argument' rotting away!

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Pizzarugi wrote:

If you can't be bothered to type "/afk In a delve and can't respond right away, will reply as soon as I'm able" before you go delving, that's entirely on you, and you deserve to get your listings removed from trade.


/afk is un-done the moment you move. So first BS-part. <-- which shows you don't use those functions in the first place.
Secondly going into /dnd isn't a viable option either, it's not only stopping messages from people trying to trade but also personal messages from friends.

Also the update of the API regarding your status isn't instant. So depending on how well the API decides to react it can take between 5-second to 30 minutes (as described) to update your status. This means after going out of /afk you could potentially be stuck 30 minutes without trades despite having time --> non-viable.

/autoreply is worth it... doesn't take care of the issue that 90% of buyers for currency will just go to the next, as will 90% of buyers for low-tier maps, as will <insert consumable here> in general. So while definitely a LOT better as an example it's also --> not viable.

Not to speak of utter idiots suggesting stuff where nothing is to be suggested. The issue is the broken system and not the players in that case.

None of those things solve the issues buyers AND sellers struggle with and WHY the system is FELT as shit.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I'm sorry for having more confidence in your ability to utilize the features in the game more than you do.


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I barely ever agree with rob... but here... oh boy, you really stepped deep into shit with your arguments.
GGG balance is like getting a pizza which is burnt on the sides, raw in the middle and misses the most of the toppings.
Then upon sending it back you get a raw side, burnt middle and enough toppings to drench everything in grease.
Everything fixed but still broken.
Last edited by Kane_GGG#0000 on Sep 25, 2019, 10:54:13 PM
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Kulze wrote:

Oh, something smells in here... oh right, I know this smell, it's a 'BS argument' rotting away!


[Removed by Support] I feel that I can have a more meaningful argument over this that doesn't boil down to "u r bad lol" as a result.

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Kulze wrote:
/afk is un-done the moment you move. So first BS-part. <-- which shows you don't use those functions in the first place.
Secondly going into /dnd isn't a viable option either, it's not only stopping messages from people trying to trade but also personal messages from friends.


Yes, and I corrected this mistake by appending that original post by mentioning that I discovered the "/autoreply" command exists. I left the original message as-is to let others know I screwed up and shouldn't have said /dnd.

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Kulze wrote:
Also the update of the API regarding your status isn't instant. So depending on how well the API decides to react it can take between 5-second to 30 minutes (as described) to update your status. This means after going out of /afk you could potentially be stuck 30 minutes without trades despite having time --> non-viable.


Wouldn't that depend on the trade site you use? Barring the currency trade section which is always awful no matter what site you use, the official trade is more responsive to updating status. You're correct that it's not quick, but that still doesn't mean you can't use something like /autoreply if you'd rather not trust /afk.

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Kulze wrote:
/autoreply is worth it... doesn't take care of the issue that 90% of buyers for currency will just go to the next, as will 90% of buyers for low-tier maps, as will <insert consumable here> in general. So while definitely a LOT better as an example it's also --> not viable.


The problem in this scenario is that it's going to happen irrespective of you using /autoreply or not. People would rather play the game rather than idle around in their hideout looking for someone who responds, so its understandable that some would be impatient. However, from my experience with utilizing /autoreply or /afk, I've had more buyers be patient and willing to wait until I'm able to trade than I ever have if I hadn't said or done anything. Turns out if you give people a reason why you didn't invite them the second they PM'd you, they're less likely to move on to find something of similar worth.

Of course, this is just my experience. I can't speak for people who claimed to get salty, impatient buyers. I personally have not had it happen so far, and all I did was make sure I put up an auto response to explain why I'm busy.

This is the only option we have, and if some people insist we stick to a crappy trade system, it's what we should be using.

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Kulze wrote:
Not to speak of utter idiots suggesting stuff where nothing is to be suggested. The issue is the broken system and not the players in that case.

None of those things solve the issues buyers AND sellers struggle with and WHY the system is FELT as shit.


I'm in agreement that the system is shit, or at least feels like shit. It is shit, held hostage by price fixers. GGG appears to be comfortable with this system in fact, justifying it with the trade manifesto they wrote ages ago that some people earlier in this thread have went over meticulously.

I wish GGG would do something to make trade easier to engage in, but they're not and probably will never do it. So if they won't fix the issue of trade being exploitable for price fixers, I'll use what tools currently available which is the ability to block people's item listings in the official trade if they won't explain why they're not responding, at least for items at exceptionally low cost relative to everything else.

If I'm ultimately left with trade bots, then so be it. At least I, personally, solved the problem by eliminating the price fixers since GGG won't do it. :P

And it's not like I just ignore and forget about it. If they actually respond after I block their lists, I always unblock them. It's not that difficult to either scroll back up through the item listings and unblock them or taking a look through the ignore list and unblock them that way.
PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds.

Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build!

And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley
Last edited by Kane_GGG#0000 on Sep 25, 2019, 10:56:35 PM

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