EA killed for "Surprise Mechanics", TencentGGG slides on "Mystery Box". How?

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Funinyourgame wrote:

The more currency you can hold, to better chance of getting better stuff earlier AND later.

Are you serious...? Better chance? Currency? Aren't four stash tabs enough to hold on to your currency? BETTER CHANCE?

I give up.

Edit: But your beloved DFO has a "boost" system and "pay for gamble" system? And you would want that instead of Stash Tabs?

Just ignore anyone who tries to argue PoE is p2win, the ones that try do so from a platform of ignorance. If you've played a game that actually suffers from p2win you can really feel the difference and wouldn't try to argue that being able to horde more irrelevant garbage is anything other than convenience.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Since this is my thread, I think a 18 page brief TL:DR summary is warranted.


1. Loot boxes are bad, maybe GGG's are better than awful, but not by much.

2. PoE isnt P2W, but we can concede there is paid qol. (I personally dont think qol = winning, but I suppose there is an argument here)

Spoiler

tbh I wish this thread would just die, along with loot boxes lol

this is a good summary.

i personally don't think loot boxes are bad, at least not GGGs.
1) they're transparent about the chances.
2) well all know its gambling
3) you're an adult so be responsible, if you don't want to be or aren't, that isn't GGGs fault nor should any responsibility fall on them because of it.
4) if you're not an adult, that also isn't GGGs fault because you're supposed to be to even be here.

i would also agree that stash tabs are quality of life, but i also wouldn't categorize quality of life as pay to win.
i'd say out of all of the stash tabs that are most quality of life, its the currency, divination, essence, and map tabs. they auto sort and stack for you - that is the main quality of life. you don't need to spend time sorting/stacking. if that falls under the category of pay to win now-a-days, wow have times changed.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

If you've played a game that actually suffers from p2win you can really feel the difference

Yeah, I used to play a game where crafting gear was almost entirely gated behind p2w (and RNG on top of it)--it's a completely different world. Also PVP-centric game btw. I avoided p2w pretty much entirely, but only by playing the market and getting rich enough to price-fix big items. Probably made everyone else's experience worse for it, but... at least I didn't have to p2w?

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Just ignore anyone who tries to argue PoE is p2win, the ones that try do so from a platform of ignorance. If you've played a game that actually suffers from p2win you can really feel the difference and wouldn't try to argue that being able to horde more irrelevant garbage is anything other than convenience.

imagine reaching this level..

ignore everyone who doesnt agree with you... why are you in a forum?

what's next downvote system so you can hide opinions that hurt your pretty eyeballs or something?

ggg can just rename lootboxes as "supporter boxes".. buy only if you "supppoort us".. :|

We would get much more quality stuff if poe didnt had lootboxes. We get most value if things like this dont exist.

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webas wrote:

ggg can just rename lootboxes as "supporter boxes".. buy only if you "supppoort us".. :|

We would get much more quality stuff if poe didnt had lootboxes. We get most value if things like this dont exist.

What exactly gave you the idea that the mystery boxes impact what content GGG makes?

We would still get the same cosmetic items without mystery boxes, we would just have to wait for them to be in the store.

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Zionyaru wrote:

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webas wrote:

ggg can just rename lootboxes as "supporter boxes".. buy only if you "supppoort us".. :|

We would get much more quality stuff if poe didnt had lootboxes. We get most value if things like this dont exist.

What exactly gave you the idea that the mystery boxes impact what content GGG makes?

We would still get the same cosmetic items without mystery boxes, we would just have to wait for them to be in the store.

What makes you think we would have to wait? The only purpose for delayed release at present is to add perceived value to lootboxes.

On second thought, you might not be wrong: They'd likely put timed exclusives inside of supporter packs instead, and only release them to the general store a few months later.

...Not that that would be a bad thing. It's a much more straightforward transaction that no one would consider exploitative in any way. A good way to sidestep the controversy that lootboxes invite.

IT IS P2W GALORE, MOST P2W ON THE MARKET

If you want mystery boxes to be gone, just dont buy them. They are making new ones just because there is a high demand for it.