RMT site bought that currency rate site

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b15h09 wrote:

What point, exactly, does the censorship serve? It has always seemed to me that when damage control takes on draconian forms, the damage is just increased.

1. RMT sites are completely against the rules and will result in a ban.
2. Many RMT sites are just scams to steal players' money and/or information.
3. Many players already blame GGG when they do something stupid and get scammed or download viruses. Allowing links to these sites on the forums makes it that much easier for dumb players to do dumb things and then come crying back.

Sorry it had to be this way.

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tpapp157 wrote:

1. RMT sites are completely against the rules and will result in a ban.
2. Many RMT sites are just scams to steal players' money and/or information.
3. Many players already blame GGG when they do something stupid and get scammed or download viruses. Allowing links to these sites on the forums makes it that much easier for dumb players to do dumb things and then come crying back.

Sorry it had to be this way.

I totally agree , good on GGG for ensuring safety of players. For me one of the fantastic things about POE was the anti-pay-to-win attitude of the staff. It is good that they are continuing with this principle.

As for the previous post about the owner of < that website > pretending to sell it so he could make money with real money trading, I totally agree. The rules are clear on RMT, and he should have known better.

Good job GGG

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jimi89 wrote:

We'll see what happens. Here's a screenshot of the currency table as of today, for future reference.

Regrets are 1:1 Alchs? What a strange rate. I would never sell Regrets at that price. I guess different people have different values for things.

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CliveHowlitzer wrote:

I updated the currency exchange list for the latest patch.

Hahahaha

Well, TBH I wouldn't have sold it to some RMT site. That was a judgment error IMO.

Ah well. As a new player it was helpful to view what many seemed to be fair trades across the board. Sorry a barter system doesn't work on the interwebs. No gold = people are going to look for some form of currency and try to put a static value on it for trading purposes. I'm not sure why people hated this system considering that for the most part the exchange rates were based off of vendor exchanges anyway. When people quit using it all it is going to do is make it harder to trade currency. All of a sudden most people's Chaos orbs will be worth 2 fusings, but mine (because I am so fucking special) will be worth 4. If you don't like it tough. This already happens in the game with mediocre uniques that most people are selling for 1 or 2 Chaos, but that one guy wants 4 gcp cause he's special. It's easy to ignore his request atm because there is a sort of static value that has been placed on items. When the dust clears and no one rememberd POEEX anymore even some of you that hate the site are going to miss it when it takes you days to exchange a few fusings for whatever it is you need because everyone's price is different. Also, in game it seems like 95% of players use poeex exchange rates and are fine with it. You guys that hate is are the minority and are most likely the very same type of self entitled fools I am talking about.

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blaineh wrote:

I can't understand why people hate the site so much (before RMT stuff) First thing that you can read on the site is:

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This table should not be mistaken as the 'official' currency exchange rates for Path of Exile. In game trading rates fluctuate frequently and may differ slightly from what you see here. If you are unhappy with any of the ratios listed below, please submit a modification suggestion.

I guess only the people who are trying to scam other people are the most actively against the site. Just last night when I tried to buy a reduced mana cost gem, first one offering one asked for 1 exalt and 2 gcp :D Same people, I bet, are trying to scam with currency to currency trades. One calls it banter, I call it scamming.

I mean, in real world you have exchange rates for different currencies, euro to dollar and so on. While we have that reference you could still ask 10 more dollars for the item you are selling and people could pay you because they need that item right there and then. I often pay little extra just to get items I want faster/instantly. It doesn't matter if there is a reference so that people can make educated estimates on prices, it's still about demand/need.

Scamming is promise u 1thing but delivers another. Just because people want to trade currency according to their own rate dont make them scammer. If their offer is ridiculous no one will take them, pls dont think ppl who accept exchange rate different from that site is stupid or noob, imo its quite the opposite.

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Lowlifepos wrote:

Ah well. As a new player it was helpful to view what many seemed to be fair trades across the board. Sorry a barter system doesn't work on the interwebs. No gold = people are going to look for some form of currency and try to put a static value on it for trading purposes. I'm not sure why people hated this system considering that for the most part the exchange rates were based off of vendor exchanges anyway. When people quit using it all it is going to do is make it harder to trade currency. All of a sudden most people's Chaos orbs will be worth 2 fusings, but mine (because I am so fucking special) will be worth 4. If you don't like it tough. This already happens in the game with mediocre uniques that most people are selling for 1 or 2 Chaos, but that one guy wants 4 gcp cause he's special. It's easy to ignore his request atm because there is a sort of static value that has been placed on items. When the dust clears and no one rememberd POEEX anymore even some of you that hate the site are going to miss it when it takes you days to exchange a few fusings for whatever it is you need because everyone's price is different. Also, in game it seems like 95% of players use poeex exchange rates and are fine with it. You guys that hate is are the minority and are most likely the very same type of self entitled fools I am talking about.

The exchange rate ppl use now date way before that site.......

When I first played this game the site didn't exist, I found out exchange rate by asking in general chat.

So sir, sorry to say this but no one is going to miss that site .

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piscator123 wrote:

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Lowlifepos wrote:

Ah well. As a new player it was helpful to view what many seemed to be fair trades across the board. Sorry a barter system doesn't work on the interwebs. No gold = people are going to look for some form of currency and try to put a static value on it for trading purposes. I'm not sure why people hated this system considering that for the most part the exchange rates were based off of vendor exchanges anyway. When people quit using it all it is going to do is make it harder to trade currency. All of a sudden most people's Chaos orbs will be worth 2 fusings, but mine (because I am so fucking special) will be worth 4. If you don't like it tough. This already happens in the game with mediocre uniques that most people are selling for 1 or 2 Chaos, but that one guy wants 4 gcp cause he's special. It's easy to ignore his request atm because there is a sort of static value that has been placed on items. When the dust clears and no one rememberd POEEX anymore even some of you that hate the site are going to miss it when it takes you days to exchange a few fusings for whatever it is you need because everyone's price is different. Also, in game it seems like 95% of players use poeex exchange rates and are fine with it. You guys that hate is are the minority and are most likely the very same type of self entitled fools I am talking about.

The exchange rate ppl use now date way before that site.......

When I first played this game the site didn't exist, I found out exchange rate by asking in general chat.

So sir, sorry to say this but no one is going to miss that site .

You are a god among men Diamond Supporter. Glad you had cash to burn and glad you use your own system. Also glad I have never traded with you. We'll keep that up in the future. You can be assured that with no static value assessed to items the game economy is going to become anarchy. Not only that but new players without a frame of reference to get started are going to become alienated by outrageous exchange rates and feel they can't compete and many will be out the door before they even get started. You may want that but I don't. I consider online games a great social outlet but if you're the only one playing there isn't much hope in that is there?

It's not that I want everything given to me on the cheap either, but I don't see how an economy can survive with everyone placing different values on the same item. Take real life for example. There are laws and regulations bound to businesses stopping them from profiting beyond XX amount on items. Now I know IRL that you can go to 3 different stores and find 3 different prices on items. Maybe one has it on sale and another one don't. Maybe one store is $.10 more expensive everyday, but the values are still in the same ballpark. Now imagine wanting a 20 oz soda and knowing that at the store near your house it costs $1.20, but you happen to be across town and very thirsty so you walk in to the local stop n shop there and the soda is $5. This is exactly what you are promoting. Your soda is not worth more than anyone elses soda.

On another note. If the system people are using now predates the site then WTH is the problem? All the trades I see use the exact same rates as that site so apparently he copied the in game rate that was already set in place. Either way I don't necessarily feel like the rates should be gospel or anything but a frame of reference to keep things in the same ballpark is nice and extremely helpful to new players. Also, when I first started I tried to ask for the exchange rates in game and got ignored by 100% of the players every time I asked. That method may have worked in closed beta, but you elitist A holes sure aren't answering new players when they ask.

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Lowlifepos wrote:

That method may have worked in closed beta, but you elitist A holes sure aren't answering new players when they ask.

Really? You make some excellent points (albeit easy to counter, and I expect to see that happen sooner rather than later) and you end on THAT?

Dude. Don't do that.

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I will say this: a barter economy is always contained chaos. Self-regulating in its fluctuations.

We're well past the point of no return as regards no-fixed-currency-values. Sites such as the one this thread references do nothing more than enforce a false sense of stability and uniformity to a currency designed to be dynamic. Unlike any sort of real-life precedent such as our government-regulated 'dollar', you cannot tell a player that they're orb of whatever is, absolutely and without a doubt, worth any set amount. They can't go down to the 7-11 and spend that orb on a coke, or trek halfway across the town and get three cokes for the same orb.

Too many people try to impose their idea of currency on the orbs, and typically that idea is influenced by an understanding of currency as a fixed value. Who can blame them? Virtually no one us have experienced a true barter economy for our daily needs.

If I don't want to use a standardised value system for my orbs, I won't. This may result in me being ripped off or being laughed out of the market, but in both cases if I'm serious about my orb trading I will learn the lay of the land, the trends of the market. I will figure out, oh, okay, so MOST people think my orb is worth THAT. Okay. Fair enough.

The only way to make a third party site that depicts/expresses set exchange rates work is to force everyone to use it -- and if you're going to do that, you might as well just have gold.

This is the stable anarchy of supply and demand sans base currency unit of fixed value. This is the dynamic market. It's as fascinating as it is intimidating.

It is the way it is.