Can we please stop pretending that Map drops are OK in League?

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postrach_myszy wrote:

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Snake_Plissk3n wrote:

Map drops are f***cked.

I had no problem to sustain my map pool in other leagues.


Then i said to me f**k this shit.

Are you sure you play required 8 hours per day? In that case it is propably bad RNG. Maybe try to play 10 hours per day for week or two, then RNG will smile on you again. As you can read, there are many players who swims in red maps, so just try to play more! It is great game and certainly deserves for those mere 8 or 9 hours a day...

I see what u did there :) , at least I hope to detect some sarcasm.

I played the first 3 weeks at least 8h a day

I really like this game but sometimes to much is to much /:

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Snake_Plissk3n wrote:

I see what u did there :) , at least I hope to detect some sarcasm.

I played the first 3 weeks at least 8h a day

I really like this game but sometimes to much is to much /:

Sarcasm? Maybe little bit :P But the facts are that currently "the average player" must “play” like 8-10 hours per day to sustain highest red maps. Unless they are extremely clever and inventive. I am, that's why I reached T16 on the 5th day of the league and killed the Shaper on day 7, all these “solo in trade league”, without support of any league and clan. Probably I could sustain red maps too, “playing” 3-5 hours per day but… playing like that would have nothing to do with fun.

It would be something like working as a worker in factory from 19 century. So, to recapitulate, currently any “normal” player have to play this 8-10 hours, to sustain maps. If you want to play less and “sustain”, you can do it, but not expect any fun. I considered it a waste of time, insulting my family and quitted. Choice is yours:)

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postrach_myszy wrote:

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It would be something like working as a worker in factory from 19 century. So, to recapitulate, currently any “normal” player have to play this 8-10 hours, to sustain maps. If you want to play less and “sustain”, you can do it, but not expect any fun. I considered it a waste of time, insulting my family and quitted. Choice is yours:)

That made me crazy with Lineage2. I loved the mass PvP, castles sieges with 400+ people were fabulous! This is what I really miss in PoE. Unfortunately, to achieve anything in Lineage2, you had to spend 10-16 farming hours daily (lots of people also had 2nd PC online 24/d for trading only). This was like a hard professional work (and WORK IS NOT FUN any more). Last I played Lineage in 2013 and I have said no more. Before that, I have played few times, but after few months of farming you always realise that you do not farm hard enough. This will happen with PoE soon if GGG will not change policy of adding new layers RNG over RNG, over RNG, over RNG... and nerfing content to force you for harder farming.

@ shoju

Some of us don't read? Lol from my perspective you're just spewing bs :p I was in reds in week 2. Just BUY the maps you're missing to fill out your atlas progression. Who the heck relies on dropping each of the 159 maps themself?

I've never been stuck even in midtier maps, i can always (just with alch/go) sustain like t12 and with sextants/chisels/zana etc even higher... so dunno wth you're on about.

I have like 400 maps rn, 150 of which are red... so you obviously aren't a "knowledgeable player" if you're stuck in freaking t5 after a month of the league xDDD

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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baronzo wrote:

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TheBagman wrote:

Y'all know about this, right? https://poemap.live/

You can buy maps all day but it won't help with sustain in the end. I have two characters, level 96 and 89, and I just dropped to tier 3 maps, running every map with 90%+ map quantity.

Dude, stop lol. Yes buying maps helps. Get your atlas to 100+ completion and you sustain just fine. I have a few hundred yellow maps and almost 150 red maps. None of them were bought except the first ones to get completion. You're doing it wrong, that's on you. Learn to play, stop spreading nonsense.

Exactly.

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baronzo wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

"mad"? ok, now i'm like 99% sure you're just a troll. Map drops are fine if you learned how to bloody play. Also, the game is NOT designed around SSF.

Grab a clue, sheesh.

I mean, you sound aggressively upset that other people enjoy different things from you, which is a clear sign of insecurity.

I'm repeating myself, but not once did I say map drops are "not fine", so I'm wondering why you feel the need to yell at me that map drops are fine? I already agree.. so calm down maybe?

I'm just stating facts that you can't sustain even white maps without trading.

troll. lol Just wow.

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Snake_Plissk3n wrote:

Then explain to me why is the price for T16 higher then last league?
Now around 15c last league i could get 'em for 12c
2 weeks ago I had to spend 20C+

And if U can sustain doesnt mean others can too. Maybe you are one of the top 1% players, ever thought about that?

PS: And if sustaining means to run 1 eldered T16 8h a day with 4 sextants, chiseld, vaaled and 3 frgaments 50 times a day then help me god that i cant see the fun in it.

I could never explain this games fucked up economy. It's full of flippers, fixers and manipulators so...all bets are off.
Me part ofthe 1%? Fuck no, I already said how I sustain but no, I don't have a Elder blob set up, I just run random t13-15's and a 16 at random. I can do Uber Elder any time I want.

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Snake_Plissk3n wrote:

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Faendris wrote:

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Snake_Plissk3n wrote:

Map drops are f***cked.

I had no problem to sustain my map pool in other leagues.

In Synthesis i have an atlas completion of 151/159 and 4 sextants.

NOT A SINGLE T16 MAP HAS DROPPED, I HAD TO BUY THEM.

Got only 1 T16 buy vaal orbing an T15.

Yesterday i tried another time lets say a T14 over 100% with a Zana mod wich gave me a rare T15 with 80% and u can bet that no map dropped...

Then i said to me f**k this shit.

Map drops are fine. I have run hundreds of T16 maps this league and made a lot of profit from selling surplus ones (yes, even T16). If, in fact, map drops were f**cked then where do you think all the maps come from that are up for sale?

Then explain to me why is the price for T16 higher then last league?
Now around 15c last league i could get 'em for 12c
2 weeks ago I had to spend 20C+

And if U can sustain doesnt mean others can too. Maybe you are one of the top 1% players, ever thought about that?

PS: And if sustaining means to run 1 eldered T16 8h a day with 4 sextants, chiseld, vaaled and 3 frgaments 50 times a day then help me god that i cant see the fun in it.

This appears to be a fundamental misconcetion in this thread: sustaining has nothing to do with the amount of maps you run or the time spent playinpg the game. Those factors are only important to average out RNG spikes. Getting to and sustaining T16 is about having the right strategy. This is the same strategy no matter whether you play one hour a day or eight hours a day.

For example, if you start out and want to fill out your atlas asap you should never run a map that you have already completed. This is a waste of resources. Sell that map and buy one that you have not yet completed. That way you will fill out your atlas and even make a handsome profit. This works in every single league. If maps are expensive, all the better, then your profits will be higher.

Also, with the new Zana you can simply create T15s and T16 out of thin air. If you want to chain T16s there is no reason whatsover not to do that. At the start of this league, when T16s were really expensive you could just chain eldered maps and earn 1 to 2 ex and hour buy just selling the dropped maps. Once map prices drop you can then go to farming uber elder without any map selling/buying.

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Snake_Plissk3n wrote:

Then explain to me why is the price for T16 higher then last league?
Now around 15c last league i could get 'em for 12c
2 weeks ago I had to spend 20C+

Because most of the farmers have quit for the league, the most experienced/heavy playtime players provide most of the maps for sale and this league whats the point? The mega rich are making fairly unique synthesis items but the rest are on snooze I suspect

I don't even bother trying to get all the maps myself. I do shaper strongholds and use horizon orbs, and then after that I just use poe.ninja to purchase them. Once you have 100+ maps completed, you will notice a huge increase in # of maps.

https://poe.ninja/standard/maps?bulk-buy

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baronzo wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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baronzo wrote:

Great suggestion. "Just get 100 completion bonus when it's mathematically impossible to sustain tier 3 maps". That makes a lot of sense. If your brain is backwards.

Buy maps on poe trade. What part of that don't you get.

looooooooooooool, just looked at your characters. SSF HC. I mean, are you a masochist? You don't get to complain. You wanted to do things the painful hardway, well there you go.

I'm not complaining at all, I'm enjoying this league very much thank you. I'm just providing support for the OP's point that map sustain is mathematically impossible even for white maps. And being in SSF means my data point is free from trade pollution.

You are wrong. You can sustain T15's and occasional T16s SSF. It just takes right strategies. I'm not gonna do the work for you go watch top 10 SSFHC streamers who clip 100 in 5-6 days. They dont do it running white maps either but chain T15s and 16s...thousands of them.