Who else won't even be TRYING d3

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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enterthehole wrote:

sadly the simple logic of "popular doesn't equal good" has been lost to most people.
10 million babies laughing at a joke they don't understand doesn't make it funny either.. ;p

On the contrary I think people generally understand this perfectly well. Have you actually seen people in any great number say they're interested in Diablo 3 because it will be popular? As far as I can see, interest in games tends to be because people think they'll enjoy playing the game, not because they think other people will enjoy playing the game.

I think this "laughing at a joke they don't understand" metaphor is pretty arrogant, basically. Why assume people of differing taste are somehow insincere in those tastes? Maybe it's just that there are a considerable number of people who don't like the same things you do.

While what is "good" is completely subjective, I don't know why you give people the benefit of the doubt. We live in a world where the "until I took an arrow to the knee." joke is thrown up, eaten, and regurgitated every minute of every day. Who's the most popular artist on youtube in terms of views? Justin Beiber? I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. The fact is, there is a hive mentality and a longing to belong. Many of us do things in order to feel like we're a part of something. I've thought on this for a while now, and at least that's where I've found myself so far. This seems to be a classic case of "You like what's popular, but what's popular isn't good." and "I like what's popular, and it's popular because it's good."

I don't think there is a clear-cut winner in this scenario. While I do believe that there are a lot of idiots out there, I try my best to keep to myself. Hell, maybe I'm just an asshole. Maybe it isn't right to say nothing is good and I should say everything is great, and we should chalk it all up to perspective. Perhaps. If you truly live your entire life without passing judgement on someone or something, then you sure as hell have me beat!

It doesn't sound to me like you're clear on what I'm giving the benefit of the doubt on. I'm not saying these are the smartest people in the world and they have what I call great taste. I'm saying that chances are, they actually like the things they say they like, that's all - that there's no reason to think they're misrepresenting their tastes or being mislead in any way.

Maybe you are clear on that? If so, would you seriously argue that Justin Bieber fans are all just pretending to like him? Based on what, exactly? That "there's a hive mentality"? Okay, what if there is a hive mentality, and for that reason alone it's sensible to doubt people are honest about their taste - then shouldn't that also apply to people who like the things you like? Shouldn't we assume all the people who like, say, Path of Exile, are just trying to "belong" to an elitist club of hipster mainstream-haters?

No, of course not, that would be completely unfair. While I'm certain such people exist, it's unreasonable to assume it of everyone until proven otherwise - not least because there's no way they can prove it, since we're talking about thoughts. All I'm suggesting is treating people as you'd like to be treated - in this case, being taken at your word.

I'll be drinking the PBRs and playing all the ARPGs in this awesomely once-again alive genre.

I'm a rebel like that.

I never said, nor implied, that the same couldn't be applied to anything that I like or anyone who shares a common interest. No, in fact, that is completely fair. We're getting off track now, the point was that many people don't entirely understand that popular =/= good. I don't doubt whether or not people honestly like things, but I do believe that many people wouldn't be able to give you proper explanations as to WHY something is genuinely good other than its given popularity.

Also, there are many people who laugh at jokes they don't understand in order to avoid feeling ostracized. That's not entirely an arrogant thing to say, in my opinion.

I don't expect anyone to trust me when I give them no reason to. I guess it really comes down to innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent. Maybe I've just seen enough that I believe giving people the benefit of the doubt without just cause is naive. While you may have differing opinions, I don't believe that either of us is entirely wrong. I merely wished to support the idea that not everyone understands that what's popular is not necessarily good, and that there are those who enjoy things simply because others enjoy them. If you've been paying attention, though, I have been trying to say many people in place of most.

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Languille wrote:

Also, there are many people who laugh at jokes they don't understand in order to avoid feeling ostracized. That's not entirely an arrogant thing to say, in my opinion

Absolutely, of course that's not an arrogant thing to say. That's a fact, that that happens. What would be arrogant is if, whenever someone laughs at a joke, for you to just assume they don't understand it. That's the situation I was complaining about - not merely pointing out that some (or "many") people act in a certain way, but making that the default assumption about a group.

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I merely wished to support the idea that not everyone understands that what's popular is not necessarily good, and that there are those who enjoy things simply because others enjoy them. If you've been paying attention, though, I have been trying to say many people in place of most.

Yup, okay. "Many" being unquantifiable means both that I can't argue with that, and that it didn't contradict me in the first place so I've no reason to argue anyway.

I've spent a ton of time playing the D3 beta and while it's a good time sink, it doesn't come across as a fulfilling experience. Hopefully, this is just because I'm playing a beta, but then I haven't really enjoyed any of the classes all that much either and the matchmaking system feels like I'm playing with bots. I'm still on the fence as to whether I'll buy D3 this May, I'm hoping PoE is more entertaining so I don't end up forking over $60 just because there isn't anything else in the genre worth playing.

Also, to the guy saying Diablo 3 isn't childish, it isn't but it sure as hell is silly to the point that it kills immersion and the humor isn't even funny. Such as when the tavern says "This is killing business!" or the Blacksmith who sounds like Groundskeeper Willie. Actually, every NPC I've encountered is overacted to the point that I can't take the story seriously at all.

I would like to see numbers of player and how many hours spent on the game for each player in average after 3 years.
If you on average use 3 hours in d3 each day, and 1 hour in PoE, what do then shows the most quality? We search entertainment when sitting in front of our computer playing video games. Do you get more entertainment from 3 hours or 1 hour?

After 3 years a game like PoE should have been able to build up a solid base of players. How many accounts do Riot have from League of Legends? 30 million+? Ofcourse, that is including peoples with multiple accounts, but there is still pretty many.
If PoE after 3 years got 2 million accounts and Diablo 3 got 7 million accounts, do you still wanna argue about which game is the best?

Playing Diablo 2 now is like hooking up with that girl that you used to have fun with when you were both in high school except you're both 40 now. Your memories of her (Diablo 2) hasn't changed but reality and time have changed both of you (There are developers that have done better things with this genre since our long wait for Diablo 3).

Diablo 3 is Blizzard's free to play mmo experiment with the cash auction house that they were afraid to implement in WOW. I'll buy it like the rest of you that played Diablo and Diablo 2. (I just expect to be disappointed like I was with Fable 3. I won't buy another Fable game.)

I hope that Path of Exile will take what we loved from this genre and make it fun again.

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Deliverer wrote:

Diablo 3 is Blizzard's free to play mmo experiment with the cash auction house that they were afraid to implement in WOW.

It's not F2P. You have to buy it in order to play. F2P does not mean "no monthly charge". And the jury is still out if additional content (like PvP) will be buyable DLC or free or a mix of both (maybe PvP being free, since it'S very much "core game" for a lot of people, and other things come with a cost, like additional acts).

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I'll buy it like the rest of you that played Diablo and Diablo 2. (I just expect to be disappointed like I was with Fable 3. I won't buy another Fable game.)

Again: Don't assume what holds true for you holds true for everyone.
I played Diablo and Diablo II religiously. I won't buy Diablo III. I won't even play a pirated copy.
If you do (purchase it) and expect to be disappointed there's really no helping you. Nevertheless I hope you won't be disappointed. It's never good to think you wasted your hard-earned money.

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I hope that Path of Exile will take what we loved from this genre and make it fun again.

So do I :-).

even if diablo 3 is a bad game, ima buy it anyway
diablo series always had a great story line

and thats what i enjoy most about games is when they have a great story with it.

anyway im looking forward to d3 as huge fans of the first diablo and d2.