Path of Exile, Gameplay Criticism

Nice Vid, well thought out and done.

I agree with a lot of what you posted. Personally, I'm not really into the 'zoom zoom' mentality of play. And that's fine for me. One of this games strengths is that endgame can be whatever you want to make of it. Go as far as you want, complete the Atlas ..or don't, go Delve as deep as you can ..or don't. etc.

As for the death penalty. How about some kind of Nemesis system maybe? If you die on a map, it'll spawn a new boss upon entering and if you hunt it down and kill, you get some of that XP back?

It could be on a timer even, where you start at getting say %80 of xp and it degrades over time down to %30 or something? The penalty is still there, but at least you have a chance to get some back.

This of course doesn't account for when you just leveled and died, but you also didn't really lose much anyway.
Cedar Park is basically Austin Texas, which means it's the best place in the country to have a tech-based business.

And it's where Volt is located, the company that provides Blizzard's gamemaster services. There very literally is no reason for a company that does internet-related service or business to be located anywhere other than in Texas on I35.

As for Chris, I know you're going to be puerile and just plain obsequious, but I'll reply anyways - the game has issues.

In fact, it has more issues as a single game then every other game I've ever played. There are latent issues with skill gems and typos left over from alpha. The game has active barriers to play and progression that do not exist in any of the hundreds of other games I've played.

They release un-Poe content that is not play-tested, rushed out of sequence because reasons, there is no QA and nobody seems to be capable of just making hour-to-hour decisions about game-play issues that effect the entire game. The Guild stash duping that went on for the first 10 or so days of Betrayal has had a massive impact on the game, yet it took like I said, 10 days for it to be fixed.

Why?

Because Chris, that's why.

All of the problems Poe has, and it has more than every other game I've ever played, combined, were coded in under Brian, Chris, Woodful, Erik, and Rory's watch - they own this mess (at least Weissman had the foresight to dump his stock years before Tencent came a-callin').

Poe is still fun, but it's a mess, and the old guard are the millstone around it's neck, not it's saviour.
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Orca_Orcinus wrote:
There very literally is no reason for a company that does internet-related service or business to be located anywhere other than in Texas on I35.

read : "I'm american, and anything that isn't in the USA is not worthy of being mentioned, even less of crossing my mind"

I find the rest about Chris&co very arrogant and naive (which more than the other, I could not tell), and I'm not going to add anything else because I don't think I can put in in a way with it staying within the Code of Conduct of the forum honestly.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Orca_Orcinus wrote:
Cedar Park is basically Austin Texas, which means it's the best place in the country to have a tech-based business.

And it's where Volt is located, the company that provides Blizzard's gamemaster services. There very literally is no reason for a company that does internet-related service or business to be located anywhere other than in Texas on I35.

As for Chris, I know you're going to be puerile and just plain obsequious, but I'll reply anyways - the game has issues.

In fact, it has more issues as a single game then every other game I've ever played. There are latent issues with skill gems and typos left over from alpha. The game has active barriers to play and progression that do not exist in any of the hundreds of other games I've played.

They release un-Poe content that is not play-tested, rushed out of sequence because reasons, there is no QA and nobody seems to be capable of just making hour-to-hour decisions about game-play issues that effect the entire game. The Guild stash duping that went on for the first 10 or so days of Betrayal has had a massive impact on the game, yet it took like I said, 10 days for it to be fixed.

Why?

Because Chris, that's why.

All of the problems Poe has, and it has more than every other game I've ever played, combined, were coded in under Brian, Chris, Woodful, Erik, and Rory's watch - they own this mess (at least Weissman had the foresight to dump his stock years before Tencent came a-callin').

Poe is still fun, but it's a mess, and the old guard are the millstone around it's neck, not it's saviour.


do u even have a point at all?

poe is fun was fun and will be fun. and people like you who give some crap to ingame currency like its everything surprise me.
how people can be this d*mb and miss the point of this game so hard?
this is what i think when i read your d*mb-ss post.it is complete utter bullsh*t.

peace.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities!
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Orca_Orcinus wrote:
As for Chris, I know you're going to be puerile and just plain obsequious, but I'll reply anyways...


I'll be blunt. I stopped caring about your argument the moment I read this statement.

I've made this same statement to robmafia in the past, but it goes more or less like this:

If you are unnecessarily rude to people, you actively weaken your own argument, because you have undermined your own voice.

If your argument stands on its own merits, then you can simply put it out and skip all the insults and "lolz" and whatever other aggressive tactics you happen to enjoy (putatively highbrow insults in your case), and you'll end up "winning" (if "winning" = "convincing others of your point of view").

And isn't that why most of us argue on this forum? To convince others of our POV? Why would you actively undermine that? You've trashed your own time and effort.

This goes for everyone, by the way. Stop own-goaling yourself, I implore you.

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robmafia wrote:
what's my biggest negative? that i quote people and use logic? THE HORROR


You honestly think you are regularly moderated for being too logical?

Remember what I said about self-awareness, and how it's obviously the biggest reason people call you a troll and you respond as if you are the victim?

The content of what I just quoted is a classic illustration. If you care about how you are perceived, if you care about the fact that you are regularly own-goaling yourself, then think about it. If shedloads of people are telling you that your behavior is bad, then either they are ALL wrong--or you are wrong.

Which is more likely?

OK, logic-man. Time to use your logic.
Wash your hands, Exile!
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Nubatack wrote:
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Berylstone wrote:

My brother is level 97 or 98 (I forget which). And he didn't get that way by "challenging" himself. He got that way by quickly and tediously dispatching easy maps and refused to join many of my maps because they had dangerous mods.

The death penalty just adds nothing of value to the game. All it does is cause players to avoid content. The game would be more fun without it.


You can get 100 in t11 or t16 - your choice. Someone doing t16 will get 100 faster and win if it was a race. Why would he even do it if it was tedious, what is the point in lvl 100 for him is it's not enjoyable? This just sounds like you have a pussy brother who you can't play with and now trying to get it nerfed so he can finally play with you lol All death penalty does is causes you brother to avoid playing with you


The point of it would be to gain the extra skill points. Obviously.

And it has less to do with the tier of the map and more about the specific mods, which matter far more than what the tier is. I was bringing up my brother as just an example to prove what I was saying about how the death penalty causes players to avoid content. It has the same impact on me as well. And avoiding dangerous maps while he has a lot of experience doesn't make him a "pussy". It makes him smart. Taking dumb risks that offer very little benefit is not an act of courage. It's an act of stupidity.

Also: my stance against the death penalty would be the same with or without my brother playing. So you should refrain from guessing at my motives in the future.
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Orca_Orcinus wrote:
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ajo wrote:
I feel that the game is beyond repair at this point. Nice video however and good job summarizing and explaining the flaws.


Core Poe is still miles ahead of anything else out there.

It's ARPG elements are still fresh and fun, and playing the game is rewarding.

The issues are Chris, the entry barriers to playing the game (this is the only game I've ever heard of that actively places barriers to entry, to progression, and to attaining information about the game) and dumb ass shit during leveling that hinders leveling - if Poe has an end-game, then getting there should a near automatic process, and maps should be what weeds people out, not not finding the gear whilst leveling but then also placing drop penalties for people w bad RNG. Makes no sense.

Chris wants to show to Blizz he can make a better Diablo3 than Blizz can, and as long as that's all Chris cares about (being right, my ball me go home if no likely, etc), the game will have the issues it has now.

I don't like how people who don't understand games/gamers (Chris, Woodful, Rory) are making dev and design and resource allocation decisions - this is bad for an enterprise if it assumes it's being run as a for-profit endeavour. MTX sales are seemingly all GGG cares about, as we get league league for years now of unplayable, designed out-of-house crap that wasn't QA'd nor playtested.

Remove Chris from GGG, kick out Rory and Woodful, move the offices lock stock and barrel to Cedar Park, TX and you'd have most of the issues that are killing Poe disappear over night, very literally over night.


Well if that was their goal I would say they succeeded. This game is way better than Diablo 3 in my opinion - which was surprisingly shallow.

Path of Exile is a good game. It would just be better without the death penalty IMHO. It drags this game down and makes it more frustrating than fun at times.
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I'm not sure how to properly get our point of view across to you, robmafia, but I guess I at least have to try.
I apologize, but it's going to be lengthy. But please, read it to the end and try to understand my point of view.

The point, when discussing something on the forums, is to try to get both parties to understand the other's point of view. A subject becomes stale when one or more sides of a discussion fail to understand the other's point of view. At that point, people are talking past each other and it's not constructive anymore.
When you make a post like this one:
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robmafia wrote:
who's got the popcorn?

Here's what comes across:
1) "I don't care about your point of view."
2) "I don't care that you understand my point of view." (As you aren't clarifying in any way why you disagree with the person.)
3) "You suck, lol." (As you are using a tone that looks condescending, even if you don't include actual insults.)

Again, discussions go quickly down the drain when you feel that the other isn't listening to you, and even quicker when you feel you're being insulted. This is what people are trying to get across to you when telling you you seem to be a troll.
Please, try to compare your usual posts to fruz's usual posts. He is (usually) showing that he cares about having a proper discussion, when you aren't.
To be honest, everyone fails at being constructive at times, but it's important to try to be. This is what the moderation often fails to make the users understand, whether it's not clear enough in their moderation messages, or by failing to remove the entirely-unconstructive posts (one-liners like "git gud" that only damage the discussion), even if there doesn't need to be a penalty for this.
aaaaaaaand there go like 2 pages.

*shakes head*

and qiu, the popcorn had nothing to do with anything i said/anything to me. that was about the weird texas guy's rants.
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...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz!
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robmafia wrote:
(...)and qiu, the popcorn had nothing to do with anything i said/anything to me. that was about the weird texas guy's rants.

The example stands: if you think he is being ridiculous, you should clarify where you think he is wrong, rather than post this kind of dismissive comment.

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