What nugiyen is doing right now is amazing

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KingCalvin wrote:

wait just a minute. so when these guys think they are going to die, they close out the game? that's how you get to the top of the ladder. thats pretty lame hardcore.

I refuse to do it myself but we have to understand that at the top of the ladder of any sport, any competition, people will do what they can to win, to stay on top.

alt-f4 is perfectly acceptable meta-game.

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Charan wrote:

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Pinchyskree wrote:

Not impressive at all.

Using a skill with that range and trying to pass it off as melee to sound hard.

He played so much his body shakes, sacrificing health for a game, sad.

Cleave is still using the weapon's natural range. It is melee. You seem to have some sour graps going on there, but so be it.

I'll be impressed, as will others. You don't have to be. :)

As for his personal health, that's not really our concern either. We're not his mother. It's also not relevant to the topic at hand, which is that melee is viable at end-game if done right.

Melee is viable, if you can hit enemies at range using shift to stop before getting into melee like he was.

I don't worry for his health, I'm just saying what he is sacrificing for this mediocre attempt to boost ego boost by claiming melee use, because it's false.

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Charan wrote:

It's also not relevant to the topic at hand, which is that melee is viable at end-game if done right.

Is that even the topic?

I thought the point was that what he's doing is so amazing because it's so hard. It's not a measure of the viability of melee (which would require taking into account multiple melee builds, how they compare at farming speed/safety vs. ranged builds at similar levels of investment, etc.)

At the very least this race stipulation has moved the discussion from

No way melee can't do anything difficult in this game (i.e. maps)

to

Well, they sort of can... Might not be elegant at times, but it can be done.

Given the game has been in ob for what...5-6 weeks (?) and the original opinion has been proven false is a fairly positive development imo.

I didn't get to see any of the stream- when I checked he was offline. I'm somewhat confused though.

Here is someone playing melee, showing that is viable, yet people are nitpicking exactly HOW he is doing it?

I've seen the complaints that "melee isn't viable." all the time. Now someone is doing just that- surviving-and there are complaints?

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I've seen the complaints that "melee isn't viable." all the time. Now someone is doing just that- surviving-and there are complaints?

Pretty much. If you're not walking into large groups of enemies and single targeting them one by one, you're not a melee character.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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I've seen the complaints that "melee isn't viable." all the time. Now someone is doing just that- surviving-and there are complaints?

Pretty much. If you're not walking into large groups of enemies and single targeting them one by one, you're not a melee character.

Except it's not melee, it's cleave with ground slam range.

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Jim_Fear wrote:

I've seen the complaints that "melee isn't viable." all the time. Now someone is doing just that- surviving-and there are complaints?

I'm just saying, all he's shown is a single Templar/ele-cleave build can be done with a person playing much more carefully than a ranged character.
That's quite impressive, but not really something to measure overall balance/viability around. You need other variables, like how fast he farms in comparison to ranged characters, how safe they are, how much investment he has to put in, etc. And that'll still be only for one specific build.

We need a lot more data, and hopefully nugi and other streamers will continue to provide it. This manmode melee solo thing should be a great asset in that area.

I've had near death moments and death moments on ranged characters as well. Does it make them not viable? No it makes recklessness and overconfidence in hardcore pretty deadly. His melee range is pretty ranged though to be honest but he's doing amazingly well with the skills he built his character around.

elecleave is not melee

especially not when you have increased AoE

get real nerd