please end mystery boxes (loot boxes, glorified gambling)
" No, the reason you gave for it beeing completely different was refuted. That you cannot get the resources that you used to gamle to begin with is irrelevant. Gambling for services exist and you cannot get money even if you win. Yet it is still gambling. That example proves you 100% wrong about the liquidity issue, please be honest and acknowledge that. What is the next thing that you think makes it completely different? " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaming_law https://www.gambling.com/laws https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43906306 |
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" Interesting, thank you! I hope all parties take the time to read that, at the very least the abstract. |
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" Right. Now go make a case that holds in the court about how GGG is negatively affecting your life by offering in-game pixels with no real life value in loot boxes, pixels that'll come to shop a few months later anyway. And while you're at it, somehow justify the pretty apparent self-control issues you have to have in order get negative effects in your life from spending too much on loot boxes, issues that GGG is in no shape or form responsible for. Your turn~~ |
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" Right. Now go make a case that holds in the court about how SERVICE LOTTERY is negatively affecting your life by offering SERVICES with no real life value in LOTTERY TICKETS, SERVICES that'll come to shop a few months later anyway. And while you're at it, somehow justify the pretty apparent self-control issues you have to have in order get negative effects in your life from spending too much on LOTTERY TICKETS, issues that SERVICE LOTTERY is in no shape or form responsible for. I don't think that would be very hard at all. Why are not all problems with gambling simply "self-control issues" that should be up to the individual to solve? Even if it's cash prices involved it's still a matter of self-control, right? Last edited by Sickness#1007 on Dec 30, 2018, 8:43:40 AM
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" You refuted nothing, you're just running in circle with your hands on your ears at this point. If gambling was only about getting services, there would not be such laws as pretty much nobody would give a damn. I asked you to be specific about 'heavily regulated' laws (as you said), and you just threw random links explaining that gambling is being regulated in many countries ... GG Do you understand the word "specific' ? (any law that keeps gambling establishment from schools is completely irrelevant here, for example.) I didn't know that gambling was just prohibited in many of the USA states though, given how many stupid rules and things happening in this country, it's not that surprising to me though. But I'll give you that one, it's worse that I though in that country (like many other things I guess). By the way, regarding the Belgium new regulations, a quote from the page : " We are in a game where you need to be either an adult, or playing with your parents agreeing to it and older than a certain age. " No way Fifa and Overwatch are not accessible to kids as a target, I don't think that Star wars battlefront isn't either, counter strike ... might not be, I'm not sure about this one. Those loot boxes were providing in-game advantages also : " Which puts them at a different level than in PoE. Similarly : " Loot boxes cannot lead to profit in PoE, which makes all the difference. " lottery ticket having no real life value because you only get services ? WHAT ? Did you even understand what you wrote ? " If you are living in the USA where absolutely dumb-ass accusations can lead to something in court, maybe ... I honestly can't tell. But in a 'normal' country ... I seriously doubt that it would be, people might even /facepalm and laungh at you if you do that. By any mean, go ahead and try ... SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Dec 30, 2018, 8:48:25 AM
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" Case by case basis though. Something you find 'morally repugnant' is a-ok for others. SJW's find it morally wrong for everyone not to accept the hundreds or thousands of genders they claim exist; I find it morally wrong to claim that those genders do exist. Who's right, from a moral standpoint? The one whose viewpoint the majority is backing up? I'm not arguing that "all loot boxes are ok". Using CS as an example again, Valve is at a win-win position while the customers are at a win-loss position. The thing is, the way they can win is by hitting that rare skin and selling it to other customers; the house is risking nothing and making profits while the players can only win by playing the chance game against other players. That seems questionable to say the least. The way GGG handles their boxes is not a 'morally repugnant' way in my eyes. Loot boxes by default are not a 'morally repugnant' existence. " Not all problems with gambling fall into the 'self-control' group, but all the people are addicted to gambling should be blaming what they see in a mirror and not the services offered. Just like drunkards should only blame themselves and not the fact that liquor stores exist... |
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" No, but taking my refutation and saying "bbbbut that doesn't count" is pretty much "running in circles with your hands on your ears". You said specifically that the difference between loot boxes and standard regulated gambling is that you cannot win the currency to keep gambling. I refuted that with the example of services. Such prices are not exempt. Stop running in circles with your hands on your ears and admit that you are wrong on this one. " POE is not classified as an adult game. Object from loot boxes in some of the mentioned games cannot be traded. So it is pretty much exactly the same thing. Again, your distinctions are meaningless. " Did you miss that I just copied the other guy? If he defines "no real life value" a not being able to be turned into cash then it applies to won services as well. " No. If you start a large scale lottery where your prices are services you will be shut down and fined in most countries if you do not adhere to the gambling regulations. Last edited by Sickness#1007 on Dec 30, 2018, 9:08:27 AM
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" What problem fall outside of that group? Should the effect gambling have on our psychology be ignored? BTW you missed the part where I refuted your little thought experiment: Right. Now go make a case that holds in the court about how SERVICE LOTTERY is negatively affecting your life by offering SERVICES with no real life value in LOTTERY TICKETS, SERVICES that'll come to shop a few months later anyway. And while you're at it, somehow justify the pretty apparent self-control issues you have to have in order get negative effects in your life from spending too much on LOTTERY TICKETS, issues that SERVICE LOTTERY is in no shape or form responsible for. I don't think that would be very hard at all. |
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The internet lawyers are out in force today.
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" A despicable bunch too. |
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