Pure Breachstone exp. gain is broken must be nerfed!

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Shival wrote:

I am a casual player and breachstone farming + upragding was the most certain, easy and profitable way of making money I have ever discovered. Its a great catchup for casual players, run research farm for a few days, get a few exalts, bam, you can play most of stuff you ever wanted to play. Honestly, nerf breachstones and I will be poor again, because of how good of money making method that is. Its funny you are 40 challenges yet you speak for players playing "casually", Im not sure if you know what that means, lol.

Sry to disagree, but i dont think you are part of "playing casually" community I speak of. This is some part of the problem. The people who lose out mostly won't be part of the discussion because literally how they play the game and how much time they invest, those people are not the ones who reading a thread like this and spending time on that. You as much as every other people posting here: We are not part of the "casual" player base. Do not fool yourself.

You certainly do not qualify as a casual if you want to bring up safehouse blocking and target farming ITF into research is certainly not something people play for the lulz of it and getting stuck in yellow maps.
It is a bit condesending for you to discredit my ability to understand what a big chunk of players are aqutally doing when you for yourself seem way more disconnected to those people. Be assured I will get thrown of balance by this strawman argument you try to build up.

I myself doubt that the father of 2 childen who gets to play 2 hours at best 2-3 days a week will run fucking harbour bridges for breachstones. He may not even trade to be honest, but if he does he for sure will get hurt alot if basic things getting devalured AND the pool of exciting drops gets simply...less exciting. Btw they DO fucking realize what is going on when they maybe go 820 to get the one trial they are missing and cannot see anything ever between the spam of rotas and hosted breachstone runes...


Btw nerfing breachstones exp or not will not affect that it hardly will be able to "make you rich again". It will be greatly reduced in availability as of every mechanik that goes from league to core. If you did not get the memmo, but for the most part interacting with the league mechanik some way or another is always one of the more profitable ways to make currency.
If your hope for next league is to make buck with farming betrayal to upgrade breachstones I have to sadly tell you taht you will indeed be poor again regardless of any outcome of this discussion or to be more precise: whatever action ggg may or may not take. Seems like an really odd argument to make.
"I engaged in the league mechanik and made some currency, what i am ever gonna do when the league mechanik will be diffrent?!"
How about...engage with the next league mechanik?! xD


I still have yet to see a real argument that offers a reason why those stones should not ne nerfed. Right now they will end up as a more speedy way to level for the 1% that will make betrayal as a core mechanik way less interesting/divers when basically nobody else has any value from it. It always seems to boil down to "but 100 is way to ridicilous to obtain anways, why nerf" which is a bad argument to begin with in context to those stones, because it would not solve the problem for the mayority of playerbase AND would be another hurdle to overcome to make an argument for a way bigger change because they simply exist in that form and would be an easy excuse for ggg to look at and NOT take action. The guys arguing they should not be nerfed because 100 should be easier shotting themself in the foot because those stones will never be the solution to this own discussion.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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Vampyress86 wrote:

The game is difficult enough for anyone who has to live outside of their PC, between the massive grinds, rng of getting maps, sulphite, getting a trade response. I have already resigned myself to next league being the last I will be able to play, as with only two hours to play each evening due to work and family means I would never acoomplish a single thing.

Some people miss the big picture when it comes to game balance.
Games does not balance around people who cant spend their time on it.
We play this game because we want to escape from reality. No one cares about other player's real life problems. Including game devs.
So yeah, we cant ignore an obviously overtuned system that possibly could effect our gameplay. I appreciate your insight but it holds no value here.

Hey, dude, what is your problem anyway? Are you jelous or what? Imabalance? Oh, I forgot, game is perfectly balanced now, melee shines brightly. Somebody reached level 100? So what? Folks are able to do it in few days after league start, even on SSF. No big issue these days, just boooooring, brainless and timeconsuming. Somebody can faster reach level 100? Cool. How this affect YOUR gameplay? Chill out. Play and let others play, like they want.

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postrach_myszy wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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Vampyress86 wrote:

The game is difficult enough for anyone who has to live outside of their PC, between the massive grinds, rng of getting maps, sulphite, getting a trade response. I have already resigned myself to next league being the last I will be able to play, as with only two hours to play each evening due to work and family means I would never acoomplish a single thing.

Some people miss the big picture when it comes to game balance.
Games does not balance around people who cant spend their time on it.
We play this game because we want to escape from reality. No one cares about other player's real life problems. Including game devs.
So yeah, we cant ignore an obviously overtuned system that possibly could effect our gameplay. I appreciate your insight but it holds no value here.

Hey, dude, what is your problem anyway? Are you jelous or what? Imabalance? Oh, I forgot, game is perfectly balanced now, melee shines brightly. Somebody reached level 100? So what? Folks are able to do it in few days after league start, even on SSF. No big issue these days, just boooooring, brainless and timeconsuming. Somebody can faster reach level 100? Cool. How this affect YOUR gameplay? Chill out. Play and let others play, like they want.

Woosh!

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postrach_myszy wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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Vampyress86 wrote:

The game is difficult enough for anyone who has to live outside of their PC, between the massive grinds, rng of getting maps, sulphite, getting a trade response. I have already resigned myself to next league being the last I will be able to play, as with only two hours to play each evening due to work and family means I would never acoomplish a single thing.

Some people miss the big picture when it comes to game balance.
Games does not balance around people who cant spend their time on it.
We play this game because we want to escape from reality. No one cares about other player's real life problems. Including game devs.
So yeah, we cant ignore an obviously overtuned system that possibly could effect our gameplay. I appreciate your insight but it holds no value here.

Hey, dude, what is your problem anyway? Are you jelous or what? Imabalance? Oh, I forgot, game is perfectly balanced now, melee shines brightly. Somebody reached level 100? So what? Folks are able to do it in few days after league start, even on SSF. No big issue these days, just boooooring, brainless and timeconsuming. Somebody can faster reach level 100? Cool. How this affect YOUR gameplay? Chill out. Play and let others play, like they want.

Let me ask you the exact same questions then :
"Hey, dude, what is your problem anyway? Are you jelous or what?".

Many reasons have already been given in this thread.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

Some of us have to think about the game and its future.

This is my favorite line in this entire thread. That's reddit levels of narcissism there.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

Some of us have to think about the game and its future.

This is my favorite line in this entire thread. That's reddit levels of narcissism there.

So what ?
Do you even have anything constructive to say?

I made it to level 95 in my 1st ever league (Betrayal) on a crappy 4 yr.old laptop connected to wifi through 2 walls and 1 floor to my neighbors' router, all the while never using 1 Breachstone at all. I ran 1 Enriched Xoph Breachstone just a few days ago for the very 1st time. I enjoyed the experience of doing one, but to be honest, it to me doesn't matter if I can do one of these even once a week or not.

The real challenge for me was having good enough periods of no lag so I wouldn't die and lose 10% on the experience bar on a Melee Reave Juggernaut in Higher tier maps and deeper delves. I can't afford the luxury on higher end rigs at the moment, so I'm kinda stuck playing solo with the occasional request for help getting through endgame content like T11+ Shaper/Elder. Hell, I haven't even Killed Uber Elder yet and we are 2 weeks away from the end of this league. If I do end up getting that pesky Elder Influence to work with me into the middle or not is of no real consequence. What matters to me, just a casual scrub who don't care of how others prefer to play THEIR game, is that I find areas of the game that keep me interested in learning more about it. Effciency is a must have for the types of players that take this game too seriously. For me, I could give two shits.

As long as I enjoy the content that is reasonably accessible and not a mind-fuck to get to to keep things fresh and interesting, that's all I really care about. lvl 100? Congrats to those who can do that, and have done it. No reason to be jealous of those who can do that FOR REAL! If I can get a better rig and connection to play on, I'm sure I'll see lvl 96+ a lot easier with a lot less lag deaths.

Until then, best of luck to all who spend their time in this game for fun gameplay, and not be overly concerned about efficiency comparing their own game experience to others.

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AShugars wrote:

Until then, best of luck to all who spend their time in this game for fun gameplay, and not be overly concerned about efficiency comparing their own game experience to others.

In short : "screw balance, I am having fun, so it's ok" ?

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Fruz wrote:

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AShugars wrote:

Until then, best of luck to all who spend their time in this game for fun gameplay, and not be overly concerned about efficiency comparing their own game experience to others.

In short : "screw balance, I am having fun, so it's ok" ?

Everyone has their own fulcrum to balance their gameplay on, so yes, don't be afraid to have fun, and not be concerned with others who choose their gameplay to get to lvl 100 faster than you. We each have our own path to grind in one form or another, such as in real life with all of its challenges.

Nobody is "afraid to have fun".
The OP himself used stones to get to level 100 as efficiently as possible ( or something like that I think ), so he knows how much time it takes, and how much of a brutal difference it is and made it mandatory to level up in a competitive fashion in Betrayal.

Balancing around one player would go nowhere.
Balancing needs to be done seeing the grand scheme of things, otherwise it is meaningless.