Don't nerf Syndicate encounters

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Ildun wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

...should new players who don't know the game mechanics be able to just jump in and 'win?'

No, but new mechanic or event shouldn't giving newbie hard time during their normal progression. Sometime you accidentally or inevitably trigger it, and assassin come after you when you are not strong enough, then you screw.

This is the entire point. They can keep saying bullshit about "rewarding the worst players" when in fact it's that these things are out of line for normal players. It's just another straw-man, because they can't admit they're wrong.

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it's as if they can be avoided entirely by playing in standard, then.

it's funny how you just called it strawman while making a completely different argument. are you talking about acts 1-10 or maps and other endgame content? because map tiers and etc keep being mentioned.

you can't play it both ways.

I like how nobody that is harping on negative chaos resist in build had suggested simply getting rid of Tora or whatever other exile with Chaos damage from the Syndicate as an alternative way of avoiding chaos damage as a means of overcoming the difficulty. I guess that would require being informative instead of just shifting blame to a perceived flaw in builds.

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The information gathering board might be a tad too complex. I feel like GGG intended for it to be a type 'customizable difficulty system', but for a game that requires next to no brain activity to suddenly add a system that is akin to theorycrafting a build with no previous knowledge or offline help... it's too much at once.

I think this was the intention too, but...

a) The system is convoluted to understand and takes a lot of trial and error and listening to what others have found to figure out how it works, which can be a process that takes hours of gameplay.

b) The Syndicate seemed to scale much more harshly with monster level than with the actual state of the Syndicate connections, even during the 10 acts of story.

It's telling that this system is seen as something strictly hard that GGG put in, and not the customizable for risk/reward difficulty system that it is supposed to be.

Sorry, idk about the "names" of the kind of syndicate i killed:

When the guys pop from nowhere, they are fine
When it's the "cave thing" it's fine too, a bit hard in T12+ map but it's still fine.
When it's the caravan, IDK mob are popping fast, the guy keep moving with the caravan, sometime he can't go 2 meters away sometime it goes far away before re TP on it, i don't like it but still okay.

When it's the Fort thing, it depend, if i'm around 70% of my level done, i dodge, if not i try a bit.

Sometime everything goes easy, sometime i got one shoted with cast on dmg taken+immortal call and 4 endo charge on me not popping, under basalt+atziri+wise oak flask, and full life (around 5k8 hp) in a t5 map blue (and i usually farm t10+ death less, only t15 bosses put me in trouble)

Care spoiler !


I'm not a pro, not tried Shaper or Elder, not completed the Atlas once (maybe this league) but i'm trying to be as reactive as i can, and i admit sometime i do mistake, and die, that ok, but being killed without anything on my screen, when there is nothing to see or to hear is... stupid ?

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robmafia wrote:

again, the big problem with the argument that 'the syndicate is just too strong and one-shots everyone and there's just nothing to be done about it and omg i just give up...'

is that it's false.

people made level 100 in a couple days, same with previous leagues. hell, someone even already made 100 in ssfhc betrayal.

additionally, many players just don't have these problems. which clearly illustrates that it's not a universal problem.


which means the problem people are having is either of skill or game knowledge. either way, it makes no logical sense to balance the game around them. when the game's balanced around the worst players, the better players have little to really do.

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balancing around learning players is not the same as rewarding bad play.

it actually is.

Most people in SSFHC turn off Syndicate Encounters by getting the research lab and then never going in. Not all, but alot of them do. They are fine up until about tier 14 maps and then it becomes absurd.


Also most of the problem is that people have never had to build armor before, and suddenly are getting dumpstered by having lack of real damage mitigation. Only Tora and It that Fled do chaos damage, everyone else is physical or mix of elemental.

ggg is like lets build in one shot mechanics
lets call it challanging/balanced

elitists are like
uhh power creep is utterly pointless there is no meaning to play the game
whot?

lets call everyone ignorant who is saying the game is to hard and is punishing to much if youre bad

ggg approved

yeah everyone is ignorant except you both uber creatures of the void
youre like if it doesnt punish me its not challanging
do you go to work like that also?? your boss is punishing you if you drop something on the floor ? he will immediately cut off your hands so you feel punished

this is a h&s
there is like no sense in punishing people for bad playing since people playing solo alot

although i think syndicates shouldnt be nerfed

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Ildun wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

...should new players who don't know the game mechanics be able to just jump in and 'win?'

No, but new mechanic or event shouldn't giving newbie hard time during their normal progression. Sometime you accidentally or inevitably trigger it, and assassin come after you when you are not strong enough, then you screw.

Why the hell not ???
PoE was never supposed to be an "easy" game to begin with.
New players find the content difficult ?
FINE, it's great, they found a challenging game.

If anything power creep has made most of the game a walk in the park, and there we go with people with expectation of an easy game not requiring effort, wanting to impose their vision of the game to everybody else.

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UlfgardLeo wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

And yet here you are, complaining that the game is too hard.
If you want to keep running around with -48 chaos res and keep dying, go ahead. But then blame yourself if you rip when hard chaos hitting things flatten you straight away.

Serious question: How is chaos res helping with Janus?

Oh he is not doing any chaos damage, never mind.

Janus is obviously the ONLY syndicate member that people are crying about, right ??
That must be the reason why all those feeback thread's names are "NERF JANUS !!"

/s

i just find it funny and not at all surprising that this thread quickly turned into the xp threads where the theme is:

- complaints about dying generally from those with pitiful defense
- advice on defense/survivability
- refusal to use defense and repeat complaints about dying

now the game's apparently supposed to be balanced around new players and those who refuse to utilize defense?

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Fruz wrote:

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Ildun wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

...should new players who don't know the game mechanics be able to just jump in and 'win?'

No, but new mechanic or event shouldn't giving newbie hard time during their normal progression. Sometime you accidentally or inevitably trigger it, and assassin come after you when you are not strong enough, then you screw.

Why the hell not ???
PoE was never supposed to be an "easy" game to begin with.
New players find the content difficult ?
FINE, it's great, they found a challenging game.

If anything power creep has made most of the game a walk in the park, and there we go with people with expectation of an easy game not requiring effort, wanting to impose their vision of the game to everybody else.

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UlfgardLeo wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

And yet here you are, complaining that the game is too hard.
If you want to keep running around with -48 chaos res and keep dying, go ahead. But then blame yourself if you rip when hard chaos hitting things flatten you straight away.

Serious question: How is chaos res helping with Janus?

Oh he is not doing any chaos damage, never mind.

Janus is obviously the ONLY syndicate member that people are crying about, right ??
That must be the reason why all those feeback thread's names are "NERF JANUS !!"

/s

why the hell not? because GGG attract alot of new people
and they have to listen to the majority

also robby only because youve seen a char with "pitiful" defenses
doesnt mean people are automatically dumb or dont have any defenses
lol
yeah using shields with deadeye good job man
you won the game
seriously your trolling is just as bad as ever

The random snipes (ya know when your about to level) that occur need nerfing. I do NOT go after any syndicates now, and ONLY get killed when they randomly spawn from smoke and fight me for 4 or 5 seconds. That is lame that they faceroll me so hard at level 43. period. All other encounters, I could care less about and feel that the tuning is fine: Transportation, Fortress and Labs. They are fine.