"Incursion was a successful league."

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Mythkiller wrote:

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jack_aubrey wrote:

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blazer572 wrote:

So if the total peak on launch day was 140,870 and 95,800 were from steam, thats alot less then half.

True. But we don't have a comparison to day 7 of Steam vs non-Steam. How about day 30?

Yea, you can assume everyone who downloaded the standalone client is probably more likely to stick around than a random steam player who say the game featured as free to play and downloaded to try it out.

Steam gives so much exposure that tons of players probably download, try 5 mins and leave.

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Mythkiller wrote:

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jack_aubrey wrote:

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blazer572 wrote:

So if the total peak on launch day was 140,870 and 95,800 were from steam, thats alot less then half.

True. But we don't have a comparison to day 7 of Steam vs non-Steam. How about day 30?

Yea, you can assume everyone who downloaded the standalone client is probably more likely to stick around than a random steam player who say the game featured as free to play and downloaded to try it out.

Steam gives so much exposure that tons of players probably download, try 5 mins and leave.

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suszterpatt wrote:

1. If that was the case, the dip after the first couple days would be a lot bigger

2. We know for a fact that even a lot of "serious" players quit mid-league, including streamers

3. Even if we were to assume that there's still 45k concurrent non-Steam users every day (which is certainly not the case, see #2), that's still over 50% total player dropoff.

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blazer572 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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blazer572 wrote:

I dont know why they say it was a success. I have seen more threads saying it sucks on these forums and on reddit and only a few saying its good with the comments saying it sucks. Only thing I liked from the league were a few of the new vaal skills. And all of the new items suck besides the the upgraded flask for vaal skills.

in the first 4 pages of the manifesto thread where they say they are keeping it:

28 positive responses that are happy they are keeping it.

1 negative response by a guy who thinks it sucked and doesnt want it in the game.

Now I just clicked on about 15 profiles from page 1 to the last page, and all the ones I clicked besides 2 were standard only players with no char in incursion or flashback. Now there could be more people that are incursion players but seems that majority of the people happy are the standard players since it will be basically new content for them to play.

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Namcap wrote:

Did you purposely click only on profiles without challenges completed? Because on the first page, the only one without challenges completed (so standard only players), says he's playing on Xbox in his signature so clearly his profile means nothing.

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blazer572 wrote:

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Namcap wrote:

Did you purposely click only on profiles without challenges completed? Because on the first page, the only one without challenges completed (so standard only players), says he's playing on Xbox in his signature so clearly his profile means nothing.

No lol I just clicked random people from each page.

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Mythkiller wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

Well yeah, that's kind of obvious. They're a business afterall.

But keep running with that thought. GGG made enough money on Incursion to declare it a success. If we were to draw a graph of player spending, how do you think it would compare to the graph of active players? Would it be a steeper decline, or a flatter one? When it comes to generating the revenue that GGG uses to measure the success of a league, when do you reckon most of that revenue is generated?

Chris has said before that they actually make a lot more from supporter pack/regular sales than from whales.

Since most people buy their supporter packs before league begins, doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the graph would be a massive spike before league begins and would drop almost completely soon after. The real question you should be asking is what the hell does the graph actually tell you?

You seem to not quite grasp the business model they are in. They are not in a month-by-month revenue model. Their entire revenue premise hinges on these leagues. So as long as the league hits their target (and who the hell cares if it hits the target in 1 day or 3 months.) the league is a success from a purely financial view.

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suszterpatt wrote:

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Mythkiller wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

Well yeah, that's kind of obvious. They're a business afterall.

But keep running with that thought. GGG made enough money on Incursion to declare it a success. If we were to draw a graph of player spending, how do you think it would compare to the graph of active players? Would it be a steeper decline, or a flatter one? When it comes to generating the revenue that GGG uses to measure the success of a league, when do you reckon most of that revenue is generated?

Chris has said before that they actually make a lot more from supporter pack/regular sales than from whales.

Since most people buy their supporter packs before league begins, doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the graph would be a massive spike before league begins and would drop almost completely soon after. The real question you should be asking is what the hell does the graph actually tell you?

You seem to not quite grasp the business model they are in. They are not in a month-by-month revenue model. Their entire revenue premise hinges on these leagues. So as long as the league hits their target (and who the hell cares if it hits the target in 1 day or 3 months.) the league is a success from a purely financial view.

Right, so we're all in agreement that GGG live on the peri-league-launch hype and purchases, and as long as they get that, they don't particularly care about the lack of stable income between leagues.


So here's a question then. Think of all the reasons you heard from various people why they quit playing mid-league. To the extent that those reasons point to some problem with PoE, do you think GGG have any reason or motivation to attempt to fix said problems?