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Wittgenstein wrote:
Thanks for this.
So, basically, for a better trade system (still inefficient from what I saw in that topic), I will have to pay?
The moment that appears in PoE, I'm officially off the game, never to return. Such a move is as bad as a RMAH from Blizz, and this was the only reason I never even purchased D3, even as I was out of any RPG at that time.
Based on the other thread, it doesn't sound too bad. It all comes down to how they implement it. I was already on the verge of buying stash tabs, so I'll might pay for public tabs by the time it's patched in. That's if I'm still around then. The thread is about 9 months old.
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Posted byjeois#3290on Mar 17, 2013, 5:32:16 PM
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Undon3 wrote:
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karitas wrote:
Explain again why a "better" system is needed and why "inefficient" is not what GGG wants. Much like their implementation of FFA looting, I have a feeling that they want the "exiles" playing to work for their stuff. That means keeping an eye out at all times whether it be looting or trading. Just because it is inconvenient or requires you to be better at it is no reason to say it needs improvement.
This is not the game itself, it is trading, a parallel related system, keeping it inefficient is crap. Exiles would ideally indeed work for their gear. That's why I suggested quite a few times that good gear should be BoP/BoA/BoE and classified&balanced as such. Only not-so-good gear should be tradeable, to help the less fortunate adventurers.
No worries, if GGG won't implement an AH, other sites certainly will, in the future, this is how we humans work, always looking for the most efficient stuff.
My provocation remains meanwhile:
Please name and describe a game trading system at least as efficient as an AH.
In terms of efficiency, nothing beats an in-game searchable listing system. You can make trading look and feel different, but if we don't have something akin to AH in terms of functionality, it will be inefficient.
I think you're missing the point of the inefficiency: it's to create a non-transparent market where shady dealing is systemic. For example, you never know what the actual "going price" for anything is because rates are set by key traders, individuals rather than the market as a whole. The inefficiencies also hide broken game mechanics like crafting, since if everyone traded openly and efficiently, we'd find out how much each orb is actually worth relative to the other orbs.
The devs' stated reasoning is that they don't want the game turn into AH Tycoon which harms the in-game economy. This is a worthwhile and commendable goal, but they haven't considered that AH is where you saw the economic problems rather than the root cause. There are other ways to address those problems besides gimping trade so much.
For what it's worth, at least they are considering improving the trading system. Let's wait and see. Hopefully, it'll come in time before 3rd party trading and RMAH becomes prevalent.
That was my point. I think the game works more beautifully and flavorfully as a less systematic trading system. I mean, if they want exiles to fight over loot ffa, I would think that such a system as an auction house would be outside of how exiles would cooperate. I quite like the aspect of no real standard and I really think that it makes even trading a daunting task, much like how a clueless exile should view trading.
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Posted bykaritas#5678on Mar 17, 2013, 8:34:23 PM
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That was my point. I think the game works more beautifully and flavorfully as a less systematic trading system. I mean, if they want exiles to fight over loot ffa, I would think that such a system as an auction house would be outside of how exiles would cooperate. I quite like the aspect of no real standard and I really think that it makes even trading a daunting task, much like how a clueless exile should view trading.
There IS systemic trading happening. Didn't I say "shady dealing is systemic"?
If you want to get into the "theme of Wraeclast" argument, then why is trade chat global? Why does it have spam? Alt-tab to browse trade forum fits really well with Wraeclast's style.
Whether you like it or not, people are going find more efficient ways to trade. It's a mess that's spilling over into public parties. Later, it'll be on 3rd party websites if it isn't addressed. There's already 3rd party trading add-ons, and the orb exchange rates are listed on 3rd party websites.
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Posted byjeois#3290on Mar 17, 2013, 9:36:33 PM
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Clueless exiles do not reach the 80s... If you feel this is done for RP purposes, or for story, I believe you're mistaken, because these are the most neglected parts of the game.
I feel the devs have, like many here, an allergy to certain concepts and words. Diablo 3. Auction House (this has NOTHING to do with D3!). Their "nevers" and categoric statements prove this. They try to implement an artificial and forced roughness in the game, in the wrong places. I am saying it again, you want the exiles having it rough? Make the damn rares BoP. No more trading the great gear. No more buying power. Implement harsh gameplay - but FAIR! If I die to some amazing monster, cool! If I die to some buffed up alchemist that shoots his stuff from beyond my sight, in a single hit too - uncool!
And for the rest of the crap, implement an AH. FREE. This is not a cosmetic improvement!
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Posted byUndon3#5633on Mar 17, 2013, 9:56:51 PM
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No worries, if GGG won't implement an AH, other sites certainly will, in the future, this is how we humans work, always looking for the most efficient stuff.
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there already is a 3rd site that scans the poe trading forums, without it forums trading is usless. as a buyer there is normally 1 or maybe 2 items you might consider buying. to find these items would take you HOURS of forum searching. as a seller you would need to constantly bump your shop because most people don't search beyond the 2nd page...
it would be good to see a company implement these features instead of the community having to point out the floors by creating such sites... honestly to anyone here who says the current trading system if fine. IF you knew about this site, can u honestly say u havent used it when trading on the forums? and if u can honestly say u didnt use it then please explain to me how wasting many hours searching pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages upon pages of items for 1 decent upgrade helped you become a better gamer of any type.
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Posted bySrafty#2116on Mar 18, 2013, 2:37:25 AM
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@OP
oh look it's that shit again ^
R.I.P 4.B.
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Posted bytryhardgg#7333on Mar 18, 2013, 3:32:13 AM
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