Please remove the mystery boxes because it's Hazard Gaming

While I don't have an issue with mystery boxes and the gambling aspect per se, I do think that there needs to be a diminishing chance on rolling duplicates, or the ability to trade / sell dupe items. I spent $60 or $80 on boxes this week (forgot already lol) and although I only received a few dupes, I am hesitant to buy more because I know most of my money will be wasted. I would actually be more inclined to keep purchasing if I knew my odds of not getting dupes were better!

As someone who has never gotten a full set of anything from these boxes, I have to agree. Just so far this league I spent another $60 on upgrading a supporter pack to the next tier. I used almost 900 points all on the mystery boxes and got nothing but duplicate sword pets and none of the items I wanted. Of course I realize I was not going to get a full set of anything by default, but not a single good item AT ALL. Footprints and sword pets... for around $90 worth of points...

If you spend hundreds of dollars and end up with absolutely nothing in the end, it is VERY unfulfilling and unsatisfying. It's the feeling that you walk into a casino and gamble your paycheck in 5 minutes, and then wonder wtf just happened? You just spent hundreds of dollars and have nothing to show for it.

I would really like to see a recycle system implemented somehow if these rip-off boxes are found necessary to the game. To spend that much money and only have multiples of items that you can only use one at a time of, just seems like twice the waste. Maybe something like: if you get a duplicate you don't want, then you can exchange it for a portion of the cost of the rip-off box. And maybe you'll have a slightly higher chance at NOT getting that item for the 100th time. That way it's still a gamble, but not a gamble that leaves you feeling like you're left with nothing after supporting the game.

People want shiny cool stuff in the game while at the same time knowing they are supporting GGG. This is the way I feel about it anyways. However, these boxes while having the current cool items you want, leave you feeling very uneasy about the points you just invested into a bunch of common duplicates.

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Acolina87 wrote:

Oh wait i know, maybe its a scam from GGG! Tricking all dem kids into buying dem MTX´s :O. Get serious. Every person is responsible for their actions. In this case if the kids want them yummie MTX´s well SHIEEEEET THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR EM WITH REAL MONEYZ TO LOOK COOL BRUH RIGHT!?

Amen to dat!!

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Its just a bit of fun. theyre $3 boxes, like who cares? Really?

I could buy 100 of them and not give a shit, Ive spent more than that on a night out raving that I cant even remember because I was off my face, more times than I can remember, every other weekend for a decade.

10 loot boxes is the price of a pizza delivery, and a lot more healthy, its the price of 6 pints of beer, and a lot more healthy... I mean we can go on with these comparisons.


People get so carried away with their moralising nanny state mentalities now days. Oh but what about that 1 guy out of 50,000 whos irresponsible and spends more than they can really afford... Well that guy can go get help for his issues and come back and join the real world when hes sorted himself out. Were not gonna run this world as if every adult is a baby who needs to have all responsibility taken away from them just in case one person out there happens to need that, just grow up and deal with it for goodness sake.

If youre that guy then go get help. If youre not that guy then get off your high horse, stop looking to get your nappy in a twist on behalf of imaginary people you just made up in your head who theoretically need protected from a $3 purchase in a video game thats only reward is a cosmetic skin. Get some perspective.

If youre looking to have a winge theres plenty of things going on this game worth winging about that dont involve loot boxes, things that actually matter to real people like us who play the game.

So I want to start off by saying you can't be speaking in the literal sense here. (Or I'm hoping that you don't actually think you are). Especially when comparing loot boxes to actual food that sustains life. You say it's more healthy to spend money on virtual items that in fact do not sustain life, than it is to purchase pizza or beer that both contribute to life sustain.

Also, you say that you could buy 100 of them and not give a @#$%. Good for you, but then you go on to call others irresponsible. I would call buying 100 of the loot boxes and raving on a regular basis pretty irresponsible AND unhealthy (since you're making comparisons that seem to contradict). In fact, it sounds like your mentality is that of a child that grew up with everything handed to them and don't know the actual real world yet. But you don't care about my opinion, much like most people don't care about your personal opinion (or generalizations) of others in a video game environment.

Your attitude with just blindly throwing money at a company and not caring why, or what the company does with that money is contributing to the problem. I could go as far as saying that you and others with the same mental attitude are destroying the video game industry.

*Insert long explanation of early access schemes here*

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thawn4444 wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Need to look up the word "tricking" when you get a chance.

It is tricking what does the definition have to do with it, the entire premise is dishonest the fact we accept it doesn't change that.

Just because a trick is pervasive or we accept it doesn't stop it being a trick, if loot boxes didn't generate additional revenue than selling the goods direct nobody would do it, the fact multiple developers use it is a very strong indication that it is vastly superior wallet mining to conventional means.

lol, the definition of words doesn't matter. . .probably the stupidest string of words I've ever read. . .


what exactly is GGG tricking players into?


they post the Odds

They post the schedule of when the timed exclusives will be available in the regular store

they post the fact that you can get duplicates.


they give all the information needed to consumers to make educated, personal decision on whether the boxes are worth buying or not.

yeah, theres no trick at all, not even remotely.


Shops having sales generates more income, occasionally giving money off the products generates more profit. So is an item being on sale a trick? I walked into a shop and the thing I wanted was normally £5, but it was on sale that day and I got it for £3....


I GOT TRICKED!!!! god damn them theyre somehow making more money this way, the evil horrible people tricked me!

er....

you got something cheaper, and in the overall picture the shop made more money, win/win. Some random dude went crazy and bought 4x more than he usually would because it was a sale, and while he saved money on what he normally would have paid he didnt rly need 4x more stuff, ok, maybe it was food and half of it expired before he could eat it and his money was wasted. Well thats not him being tricked, thats him having poor judgement, what he was offered was completely above board and transparent.

if you want the boat just get the boat lol

all of the box items go on the normal shop in a few months..

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Boltz_4_Life wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Its just a bit of fun. theyre $3 boxes, like who cares? Really?

I could buy 100 of them and not give a shit, Ive spent more than that on a night out raving that I cant even remember because I was off my face, more times than I can remember, every other weekend for a decade.

10 loot boxes is the price of a pizza delivery, and a lot more healthy, its the price of 6 pints of beer, and a lot more healthy... I mean we can go on with these comparisons.

/snip

So I want to start off by saying you can't be speaking in the literal sense here. (Or I'm hoping that you don't actually think you are). Especially when comparing loot boxes to actual food that sustains life. You say it's more healthy to spend money on virtual items that in fact do not sustain life, than it is to purchase pizza or beer that both contribute to life sustain.

Also, you say that you could buy 100 of them and not give a @#$%. Good for you, but then you go on to call others irresponsible. I would call buying 100 of the loot boxes and raving on a regular basis pretty irresponsible AND unhealthy (since you're making comparisons that seem to contradict). In fact, it sounds like your mentality is that of a child that grew up with everything handed to them and don't know the actual real world yet. But you don't care about my opinion, much like most people don't care about your personal opinion (or generalizations) of others in a video game environment.

Your attitude with just blindly throwing money at a company and not caring why, or what the company does with that money is contributing to the problem. I could go as far as saying that you and others with the same mental attitude are destroying the video game industry.

*Insert long explanation of early access schemes here*

Got a lol from your response Boltz. Pretty much spot on when I read it. Couldn’t have summed it up better.

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thawn4444 wrote:

lol, the definition of words doesn't matter. . .probably the stupidest string of words I've ever read. . .


what exactly is GGG tricking players into?


they post the Odds

They post the schedule of when the timed exclusives will be available in the regular store

they post the fact that you can get duplicates.


they give all the information needed to consumers to make educated, personal decision on whether the boxes are worth buying or not.

The definition of the word trick wasn't relevant because its a difference of perspective not a failure to understand language, but the objective of loot boxes is to sell you something you didn't want while providing an addictive buzz to encourage future purchases.

If you don't see it as a trick thats only because you understand it not because it isn't a trick. Don't forget they only published the odds because they were legally forced to (in china) they don't give a shit about an informed consumer they give a shit about earnings per consumer.

Edit: Note I don't personally care that GGG sell these, they run a free to play game with regular updates funding has to come from somewhere I just have to dispute the idea that lootboxes are anything other than gambling and the purpose of any gambling run by the house is to enrich the house, not the gamblers.

Edit2: Yes Snorkle a sale is a trick if it convinced you to buy something you didn't want, If you bought something you did want you were just a smart customer - note if everybody was a smart customer then sales probably wouldn't exist, that is because their purpose is to extract extra income, not give you the best deal.

I dont care to gamble much IRL so Im not inclined to in game.

Its totally lame but if it means the dummies can pay to develop games for me then its hardly a problem for me.