Multi-Boxing. Finally. The facts.

I apologize for my 7 words about looting that caused Azidonis to get all wacko on the topic.

On point: There is absolutely NOTHING anyone can do in-game (including the aforementioned ninja-looting) that will effect my game play or hinder my progression that I can't fix with the click of a mouse button.

2 seconds.

Click.

Done.

The example that I stated in my first post about looting was: Ninja my loot? It wasn't /mine/ anyhow. By that, I tried drawing a parallel to other common complaints on these forums.

When you play a video game you make choices on how you'll play it. So long as I don't break any of the rules that GGG created for the game - I am able to play the way I want to. It's not my problem if people get all emotionally disturbed over a video game's pixels or a false sense of entitlement. Everything I do in-game you can do too ... you just might choose not to.

This leads us to the current discussion of multi-boxing and multi-logging. It's not illegal. It's not difficult to do. If it bothers you and you are emotionally vested in what other people are earning for currency in a video game then there's not much I can do to resolve that. Sorry.

I guess people will either live with it, continue complaining about others having an "unfair advantage" or move on to another game that better fits their playstyle.

Azidonis,

1) Multiboxing/multilogging, given the current circumstances, is illegitimate, and should be considered cheating.

Why should it be considered cheating if it hasn't affected any major game industry's success? You only thought of the negative notions that regard multi-boxing, but that's the only real reason why you are making a mountain out of a mole hill -- you are now aware of something that makes you personally feel that you're at a disadvantage. Practically speaking, disadvantages is a very poor argument in the world that you live in.

2) The reason it is illegitimate, is that it confers a definite advantage in a player's ability to find and accumulate currency and other items.

If people play more than you, and they have better gear than you, they are able to obtain more than you can at the same alotted time. That doesn't render them as cheaters. They are players who have more flexible advantages than you, and so they are able to gain more than you can, which is a part of nature. Multi-boxing isn't cheating, and it's an opportunity for anyone to take up, but that's your choice, and your choice to decline doesn't make it illegitimate to those who accept.

3) If this advantage did not exist, and no glaring advantages existed for multiboxing/logging players, I would have no problem with the practice.

People already have advantages in forms of gear, their operating systems, their internet providers, their gaming skills, their schedules, their knowledge, et cetera.

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Deceptionist wrote:

3) If this advantage did not exist, and no glaring advantages existed for multiboxing/logging players, I would have no problem with the practice.

People already have advantages in forms of gear, their operating systems, their internet providers, their gaming skills, their schedules, their knowledge, et cetera.

Little abrasive, but it is a valid point. People without jobs or weaker times for work have more time in game, and thus have an advantage to the working class. Thats an unfair advantage. What do we do about that? Nothing.

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Deceptionist wrote:

Azidonis,

1) Multiboxing/multilogging, given the current circumstances, is illegitimate, and should be considered cheating.

Why should it be considered cheating if it hasn't affected any major game industry's success? You only thought of the negative notions that regard multi-boxing, but that's the only real reason why you are making a mountain out of a mole hill -- you are now aware of something that makes you personally feel that you're at a disadvantage. Practically speaking, disadvantages is a very poor argument in the world that you live in.

2) The reason it is illegitimate, is that it confers a definite advantage in a player's ability to find and accumulate currency and other items.

If people play more than you, and they have better gear than you, they are able to obtain more than you can at the same alotted time. That doesn't render them as cheaters. They are players who have more flexible advantages than you, and so they are able to gain more than you can, which is a part of nature. Multi-boxing isn't cheating, and it's an opportunity for anyone to take up, but that's your choice, and your choice to decline doesn't make it illegitimate to those who accept.

3) If this advantage did not exist, and no glaring advantages existed for multiboxing/logging players, I would have no problem with the practice.

People already have advantages in forms of gear, their operating systems, their internet providers, their gaming skills, their schedules, their knowledge, et cetera.

You really don't seem to get it.

It has nothing to do with you playing more, or playing better, or having better gear, or any of that. It has everything to do with the fact that all you have to do is drop a bunch of dud clones into the beginning of the instance, let them sit there, and then collect an increased amount of loot.

It's basically an exploit.

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Azidonis wrote:

You really don't seem to get it.

It has nothing to do with you playing more, or playing better, or having better gear, or any of that. It has everything to do with the fact that all you have to do is drop a bunch of dud clones into the beginning of the instance, let them sit there, and then collect an increased amount of loot.

It's basically an exploit.

Thats not multiboxing though....thats Multilogging, and thats not the issue here. Multiboxing is the issue.

They have already said they want to do something about multiloggers, but they have made no mention of multiboxers.

Multilogging- Loading multiple clients, running the instance to the boss, and having the dud profiles sit back so you get the bonus drop rate for a party.

Multiboxing- Simultaneously playing 2-6 characters at once.

Multiboxing is NOT cheating. Quit being dumbasses, and come to terms with it.

There are difficulties when it comes to multiboxing, but it is very fun!
Do you get extra loot? sure, but most of it goes to the many characters you have to gear anyway.
Everyone has the capabilities to multibox, so quit crying on your high horse, and get into it as well, or STFU! It's a personal preference on whether you decide to do it or not. You will be suprised to find that the amount of loot you receive for the extra effort may not even be worth it to you, but you will have a blast multi boxing.

IsBoxer is a mutli boxing program that can run on either 1 computer and 1 monitor, or you can use multiple of both. It costs about $50 a year. Also be sure to make sure all of your characters have equal run speed.

Good Luck!

Azidonis,

You really don't seem to get it.

If you do not understand why your argument is perishable, then you are only discussing for the sake of your own personal feelings. And in this world, feelings can only go so far.

It has nothing to do with you playing more, or playing better, or having better gear, or any of that. It has everything to do with the fact that all you have to do is drop a bunch of dud clones into the beginning of the instance, let them sit there, and then collect an increased amount of loot.

It does, actually. You could, of course, deny it I suppose. However, logic is logic, and my points stand with immutability. With a short recap, people have more advantages than you are comprehending at the moment, and that very thing you refuse to comprehend is the very thing that tears your concerns apart. Look around you, look into the real world, and tell yourself how equality survives in a forever fluctuating, dualistic environment of both chaos and concordance.

It's basically an exploit.

It is everything except an exploit. It's not against the ToS. It hasn't caused any major gaming industry turmoil on their way to success. You can do it, but choose not to, so the advantage that others have, you could have them too, but you decided against it, that doesn't mean that your choice to be at a disadvantage makes others cheaters because they took that advantage.

multi-boxing is fine, they stated as much during closed beta. so long as you arent automating the additional clients that is.

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Zalm wrote:

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Azidonis wrote:

You really don't seem to get it.

It has nothing to do with you playing more, or playing better, or having better gear, or any of that. It has everything to do with the fact that all you have to do is drop a bunch of dud clones into the beginning of the instance, let them sit there, and then collect an increased amount of loot.

It's basically an exploit.

Thats not multiboxing though....thats Multilogging, and thats not the issue here. Multiboxing is the issue.

They have already said they want to do something about multiloggers, but they have made no mention of multiboxers.

Multilogging- Loading multiple clients, running the instance to the boss, and having the dud profiles sit back so you get the bonus drop rate for a party.

Multiboxing- Simultaneously playing 2-6 characters at once.

Either practice abuses the loot bonuses.

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Deceptionist wrote:

Azidonis,

You really don't seem to get it.

If you do not understand why your argument is perishable, then you are only discussing for the sake of your own personal feelings. And in this world, feelings can only go so far.

It has nothing to do with you playing more, or playing better, or having better gear, or any of that. It has everything to do with the fact that all you have to do is drop a bunch of dud clones into the beginning of the instance, let them sit there, and then collect an increased amount of loot.

It does, actually. You could, of course, deny it I suppose. However, logic is logic, and my points stand with immutability. With a short recap, people have more advantages than you are comprehending at the moment, and that very thing you refuse to comprehend is the very thing that tears your concerns apart. Look around you, look into the real world, and tell yourself how equality survives in a forever fluctuating, dualistic environment of both chaos and concordance.

It's basically an exploit.

It is everything except an exploit. It's not against the ToS. It hasn't caused any major gaming industry turmoil on their way to success. You can do it, but choose not to, so the advantage that others have you can have to, but you decide against it, that doesn't mean that your choice to be at a disadvantage makes others cheaters because they took that advantage.

The bold letters don't make you seem more intelligent, and doesn't help to justify your claims. The whole, "GGG says it's okay," doesn't justify it, either.

You are taking advantage of the bonus loot for a full party of 6 players, without having a full party of 6 players, but a full party of 6 characters. That's all there is to it.

If they change the loot scaling, then there is no issue.