Multi-Boxing. Finally. The facts.
|
Really? I didn't know that. Than maybe minimal requirements to open 1 client on minimal settings and recommended to open 1 client on max details and 5 clients on minimal.
|
|
" My post stated why. I just wanted to give some people some insight as to why some legitimate dual-boxers like that playstyle. I'm not against organized pvp in games even though some win-trade and bot. I'm not against addons and tools in some games even though some make bot programs or use them as hacks into the game. Not all who participate in organized pvp cheat. Not all who use tools cheat. Not all who operate more than one character at a time do things that could be considered a cheat (try to get more loot, overpower in pvp, etc.). Just remember you are lumping legitimate players in with cheaters. Should we not have pvp in this game because some will be found to cheat? Should we eliminate races because some may use hack programs? It would be silly to lump honest people with those who cheat. It isn't the same. I've been playing awhile, and I haven't yet gotten a character into merciless. Trust me, even if I did dual-box, I'm not a threat. - Rose Perandus, Hardcore, Standard, and Races Solo - Self-Found, since Jan 2013 Last edited by Skitzi#2625 on Mar 2, 2013, 5:23:52 AM
|
|
|
So much discussion and blabla. People argue in cycles and think they are smart but in the end it comes down to this:
The game is intended to play with 1 account and GGG (obviously) dont like exploitive mechanics. Nobody wants a game where a minority can exploit the crap out and gain an unfair advantage because it >>hurts the integrety of the game<< Arguements like "Oh, but multiboxing is an own gamestyle and is a lot of fun" are >>>GARBAGE<<<. Yes, for a lot of people typing in "godmode" or "give 30 exalts" is also "a lot of fun" but it WILL destroy the game. No way that multiboxing is a defendable and valid thing in PoE. It has no place. HOWEVER, i do not see multiboxing as a big problem, because its advantage is overrated, or at least i think so. Since last day I built a low level MF farming character, high quantity/rarity, movementspeed, eventually 2 andvarius rings, farming the ledge(lv 35) with lv 39 I do not see a high droprate of rares as a big advantage. The reaso n is, that the chaos orb production is capped by the Rare Rings/Amulets and those drop Quite rare. So even if you farm a boss with 3 digit quantity(because of additional accounts) its actually not worth the time. Yes, you will probably get a lot of rares, but salvaging them is not worth the time. Its like: 90+% of all rares you have to identify and sell for alchs/Alts and the rest of the 10% you might use for chaos orb production(because jewelry is limiting it) In my opinion its better to farm low level maps with good MF gear, because you can actually get valueable things like: 6-link items 6-socket items Jewelry(rings, Amus, Belts) which actually have good stats, even a crappy iron ring with ilvl <60 but 6 properly rolled Mods is >>UNPAYABLE<< and MAPS(!) My conclusion to the Multiboxing - MF situation: Multiboxing is something which should not be "advertised" by ggg, but its at least acceptable if there is no obvious advantage. If you want to accumulate gear and wealth you are better off to specialize in farming low level maps and manage the drops properly.(for instance use Alch Orbs on high ilvl jewelry and recycle them in Chaos orb recipies or reroll 5 of them) Here are some numbers: If you farm the ledge extremly fast(practically permanent 50% MS, kill everything in 1-2 hits with Sweap, "Unqiue Reapers Pursuit" is a nice Item for this purpose btw) and have: 18 Quantity and 67 Rarity and in addition quantity/rarity supportgem (Total of 38% Quantity, 105% Rarity) its VERY UNDERWHELMING to farm the ledge,because you simple dont get RINGS/AMULETS Even if I tripple the farm speed its MEH compared to my high level summoner who rolls through rare maps easily, getting even more maps out of it and obtaining higher value rares. Maybe the ledge is the wrong place to farm, but this farming place can be optimzed to a high degree, so I think its compareable to multiboxing somehow. PS.: If I imagine the situation of multiboxing a boss it must be EXTREMLY TEDIOUS run through ancient pyramid open portal log in/log out 5 character invite them into party accept with each one of them go through portal with each of them kill boss collect 20 rares collect 0-1 UNID rings/amulets identify 19 rares sell 19 rares LOL? Who the hell wants this? I cant imagine that this is worth the time, because in the same amount of time I have done 1-3 Map, invested 3 blue maps, but got 4+ maps and a truckload of XP and maybe if I am lucky I find something which is worth several exalts. |
|
" Errmmm ... if it has my name on it, you can't pick it up. Once my name falls off of it, it's not technically "mine" anymore as I missed my opportunity to pick it up when it was exclusive to me. You're not making much sense. If I felt like you were trying to "leave me with an empty inventory" I have the ability to: a) remove you from my group b) find a new group c) play solo for a while All of these options currently exist without GGG changing anything. However, I do think there should be a toggle for FFA Loot vs. Another Loot Option to make both playstyles happy. " I group with people all the time. In fact, I spent weeks organizing an in-game guild so that people could play together without the risk of having loot drama. It's going very well, thanks for asking! Just because I support multiboxing (until such a time that GGG says it's not allowed) doesn't mean that I don't group or I'm not a team player. I enjoy playing with others very much - especially my guildmates. However, I realize that your attempt to riddle my post with opinionated bullet holes was merely that and I'll never tell anyone that they're not entitled to their own opinion. :) "In short, we don't care if someone's a millionaire -- if that person plans to degrade any member of the community or act in such a way that people will feel unwelcome here, then that person can fuck right off." - Charan, GGG Volunteer Moderator
|
|
" You clearly don't know how to do it correctly. I only have to log my alts in once and have them join the party, past that they just stand in the town and wait for my portal. Entering with all of them takes like 7 seconds, sending them out again takes an equal amount of time. I can kill the boss every 5-6 mins easily. And that includes time to sell x2 chaos sets and sell other rares I don't need while stashing away unique drops. |
|
|
This is just pointless. You can explain in every detail, why multilogging is devastating for the game. And people still will be like "Hurr, GGG allows it, so it's perfectly fine" (read: "I don't care, does it ruin the game. As long as it makes me rich, I'm going to abuse the crap out of it").
Players are too selfish and nearsighted to notice the problem. It's up to GGG, it's their game after all. If they don't care, then I don't care neither. Last edited by orzewoi#6957 on Mar 2, 2013, 8:11:25 AM
|
|
|
I think multiboxing is cheating. You are gaining an advantage by exploiting a loop hole. That is cheating in my book. You could argue that it is allowed by GGG, and not breaking the TOS, but if you dont think of it as cheating, then it is at the very least ungentlemanly conduct :)
That said unless it directly affects my gaming experience I don't really care. |
|
" Have you ever seen the commercials from AT&T about "What is better - more or less. Why would you choose less?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0FL1AzCAJ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61LjTwME7w Same concept here. If you had the ability to make the same amount of money in real life as you currently do, but work half as hard, wouldn't you? If you say no, you're lying. So then - why wouldn't you do that in a VIDEO GAME? Do we forget that this is simply a video game? Pixels on a screen? Like Pac-Man, Pong and Pole Position? Yes, yes - it's multiplayer and there is an economy blah blah -- which is already borked because people want to undersell & overcharge for crap. I think people who play multiplayer games would be much better off if they focused LESS on what other people did. Edit: I wanted to pick the best video, ROFL! "It's not complicated." "In short, we don't care if someone's a millionaire -- if that person plans to degrade any member of the community or act in such a way that people will feel unwelcome here, then that person can fuck right off." - Charan, GGG Volunteer Moderator Last edited by Gamer1975#0451 on Mar 2, 2013, 9:25:18 AM
|
|
|
If you're looking at one chars screen and the other 5 follow the clicks you make on the main screen that's automating.
You could write a script that would drop a fire trap every time it was off cooldown but where do you draw the line with dumb cheats. What would you think if somebody stepped to the plate holding 4 bats in a baseball game, technically its not against the rules right? Automation is defined as making a process automatic, and directly applies to multiboxing as automating. If you're looking at one screen and clicking and the other 5 chars automatically follow your main chars movement you're automating those other 5 chars. Buy the ticket, take the ride. Last edited by p0t#2885 on Mar 2, 2013, 9:27:04 AM
| |
" Actually, it is. Not only can you only have -1- bat, it has to meet the specific standards of the league that you're playing in. I assume you're speaking about the MLB.
Spoiler
1.10
(a) The bat shall be a smooth, round stick not more than 23/4 inches in diameter at the thickest part and not more than 42 inches in length. The bat shall be one piece of solid wood. NOTE: No laminated or experimental bats shall be used in a professional game (either championship season or exhibition games) until the manufacturer has secured approval from the Rules Committee of his design and methods of manufacture. (b) Cupped Bats. An indentation in the end of the bat up to one inch in depth is permitted and may be no wider than two inches and no less than one inch in diameter. The indentation must be curved with no foreign substance added. (c) The bat handle, for not more than 18 inches from its end, may be covered or treated with any material or substance to improve the grip. Any such material or substance, which extends past the 18 inch limitation, shall cause the bat to be removed from the game. NOTE: If the umpire discovers that the bat does not conform to (c) above until a time during or after which the bat has been used in play, it shall not be grounds for declaring the batter out, or ejected from the game. (d) No colored bat may be used in a professional game unless approved by the Rules Committee. "In short, we don't care if someone's a millionaire -- if that person plans to degrade any member of the community or act in such a way that people will feel unwelcome here, then that person can fuck right off." - Charan, GGG Volunteer Moderator Last edited by Gamer1975#0451 on Mar 2, 2013, 9:28:28 AM
|
|
