Multi-Boxing. Finally. The facts.

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overpowdered wrote:

It quite funny how the original post of the thread doesn't mention the true fact, and that is:

Multiboxing gets you around 4 times the currency/reward than not multiboxing.

/end discussion

And i like it!
Not my problem that there are other players out there that don't multibox

You were bullied in grade school, weren't you?

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Zalm wrote:

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Azidonis wrote:

But that's the thing. Both workers are doing the same work.

But one found a way to get more results in a third of the time, thus he should be rewarded. Its not fair, no, but since you have access to the same thing, is it really all that unfair? Or are you simply refusing to repeat the process and claim unfair.

He's not getting more results. Both workers are doing the exact same work (farming instances). Only one of them is getting paid 3 times more currency per hour doing it.

Ah, fuck it. We both consider it cheating. No sense in beating this horse much longer. :)

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BuddhaSpeaks wrote:

I wasn't saying that people should play as designed or test boundaries like in a child-parent relationship, because I do not fully understand the philosophy of the devs. I was just pointing out some discrepancies(?) about multiboxing when approaching this game as a player.

Referring to your previous post here, I don't think the devs condone it necessarily, there's just not much they can do about it. Like you said, if we were meant to control 6 chars at a time (like DA?) the game would already come that way?

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I wasn't saying that in the perspective of the economy itself, but rather the experience of the players. It seems like you have a problem with duped items, and my answer would be that it is up to the devs to minimize them. It is their game and they "sanctioned" it after all.

Economy is part of it, gameplay experience is as well. For example, do you think anyone can successfully run Ubers in D2 without using 3rd party sites or duped items? Legit self found? I would say it's near impossible. Blizzard tried rust storms to wipe out dupes, yet they plagued the game regardless of dev philosophy (they did not sanction it at all- at least publicly). I don't think GGG sanctions any of this type of thing, but it will happen anyway, their game or not (this also refers to your later replies).

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MrRoundTree wrote:

do you think anyone can successfully run Ubers in D2 without using 3rd party sites or duped items? Legit self found? I would say it's near impossible.

A bit off topic, but this is totally doable in around 3 months of regular play on a new ladder. Facerolling them, maybe not. but completing the instance self found, I did it, and I suck.

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tgcid9999 wrote:

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MrRoundTree wrote:

do you think anyone can successfully run Ubers in D2 without using 3rd party sites or duped items? Legit self found? I would say it's near impossible.

A bit off topic, but this is totally doable in around 3 months of regular play on a new ladder. Facerolling them, maybe not. but completing the instance self found, I did it, and I suck.

If you did that self found and didnt trade for duped items, consider me impressed. :D

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MrRoundTree wrote:

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tgcid9999 wrote:

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MrRoundTree wrote:

do you think anyone can successfully run Ubers in D2 without using 3rd party sites or duped items? Legit self found? I would say it's near impossible.

A bit off topic, but this is totally doable in around 3 months of regular play on a new ladder. Facerolling them, maybe not. but completing the instance self found, I did it, and I suck.

If you did that self found and didnt trade for duped items, consider me impressed. :D

I did it....on a summonancer...so...not as hard? But still legit.

I must be really bad then, struggled as it was cheating with gifted duped gear on my smiter lol.

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MrRoundTree wrote:

"Referring to your previous post here, I don't think the devs condone it necessarily, there's just not much they can do about it. Like you said, if we were meant to control 6 chars at a time (like DA?) the game would already come that way?"

It is true that I said such things, but on the following paragraphs I've revealed some aspects about the game that are also the opposite. And well, I can see some ways that the devs can do something about multi-boxing if they didn't want it (i.e. banning people, explicitly stating their stance against it, code the program so that you can't simply run two PoE windows by clicking on the client twice). I'm sure that the devs are smart cookies and develop better strategies than mine.

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Economy is part of it, gameplay experience is as well. For example, do you think anyone can successfully run Ubers in D2 without using 3rd party sites or duped items? Legit self found? I would say it's near impossible. Blizzard tried rust storms to wipe out dupes, yet they plagued the game regardless of dev philosophy (they did not sanction it at all- at least publicly). I don't think GGG sanctions any of this type of thing, but it will happen anyway, their game or not (this also refers to your later replies).

Yes, economy is no doubt a part, but I wasn't saying that people should disregard the economy. I was addressing that the issue of "fairness" arises from competition, and "my way" of looking at gaming experience in general, which is to not to sweat much about it and focus on the game itself more, if the situation is uncontrollable.

Thanks for the reply, but I gotta sleep now. I'll reply tmr if you want to continue.

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Nobake wrote:

I don't see any problem with multiboxing, defined as actually playing the character in each instance of the game. That would be extremely hard.

What is being called multilogging, ie porting tagalongs to a boss just for extra loot - that's exploitative and a problem.

Replicators - that's automation and also a problem. I don't buy the carbon-paper argument or the driver software argument. You've made 1 input, and gotten 6 commands out of it. 5 of them are automated.

How to detect and put a stop to it? I have no idea.

Buy it or not, thats how its viewed. Replication is not automation and the Devs agree to this. You call it whatever you like, but it is not cheating, it is not automated and it is not against the Tos/ToU

-I can't claim to know what the Devs think. I've not seen one post on the topic.
-Replication IS automation. Like I said, you point and click and you've issued 1 input/command. 1 character should move and/or attack, as you can only directly interact with 1 instance of the game at a time. If, with that one click, multiple commands get issued (even being identical commands due to replication) there is automation happening. Your 1 input has been AUTOMATICALLY cloned to non-active instances of the game client. If you can come up with something convincing to the contrary, I'm all ears. Or eyes, as the case may be.
-My interpretation of the ToU says that this is cheating and bannable. HOWEVER!
--My interpretation is worthless. This is GGG's game, they can say and do whatever they want.
--While it is automation, the client is not going to be able to detect it. All it sees are mouse/keyboard events. Making this an unpunishable/difficult to punish offense.
--If GGG wants to allow automation in their game, that's their prerogative.
--If GGG wants to disallow automation in general but make a specific exception for this, that's also their prerogative.