Honestly fuck these loot boxes.

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Orbitalx wrote:

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What is the age in your country? Also, there is a reason casinos check ID. If they didn't, people under legal gambling age would still gamble. They check id so they are not breaking any laws. GGG and video game companies do not check ID before you purchase gambling boxes. So even if the age was 18, they still do not verify your age before you purchase gambling boxes.

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Depends on what you asking for. 16 for some form of gambling, 18 for casinos. But this is real life. There is plenty of gambling online that only require small forms of ID if any at all. I know that America has taken down alot of gambling and made it impossible to reach those sites, but again that's just a tiny part of the world. The rest of the world (thank god) doesn't believe the goverment should be deciding what you do and don't.

I mean if countries make distinguishment between types of gambling I think something like GGG is offering would be counted as something very minor. That is IF they will even call this gambling.

Do you think gambling should at least be regulated though so people don't get screwed over?

Gambling boxes are for sure gambling. You are risking money to win something and you can actually get duplicates which imo (and most people's opinion) are worth zero. You are paying for a chance at something and you can get nothing so you are gambling. This is of course after the first box you buy. The first box is the only legit fair box. After that you are gambling. The more boxes you buy, you have a worse chance of getting something that isn't a duplicate.

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Miská wrote:

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Orbitalx wrote:

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What is the age in your country? Also, there is a reason casinos check ID. If they didn't, people under legal gambling age would still gamble. They check id so they are not breaking any laws. GGG and video game companies do not check ID before you purchase gambling boxes. So even if the age was 18, they still do not verify your age before you purchase gambling boxes.

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Depends on what you asking for. 16 for some form of gambling, 18 for casinos. But this is real life. There is plenty of gambling online that only require small forms of ID if any at all. I know that America has taken down alot of gambling and made it impossible to reach those sites, but again that's just a tiny part of the world. The rest of the world (thank god) doesn't believe the goverment should be deciding what you do and don't.

I mean if countries make distinguishment between types of gambling I think something like GGG is offering would be counted as something very minor. That is IF they will even call this gambling.

Do you think gambling should at least be regulated though so people don't get screwed over?

Gambling boxes are for sure gambling. You are risking money to win something and you can actually get duplicates which imo (and most people's opinion) are worth zero. You are paying for a chance at something and you can get nothing so you are gambling. This is of course after the first box you buy. The first box is the only legit fair box. After that you are gambling. The more boxes you buy, you have a worse chance of getting something that isn't a duplicate.

If it was that simple, lootboxes would already have been under gambling laws. Like I said, 1 type of gambling is not the same as another. That's why using a casino as an example is incorrect.

I also don't think you understand how hard it is to regulate online 'gambling'. Funnily enough alot of online gambling is regulated by using a CC as proof of age. Now isn't that ironical? :D

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Orbitalx wrote:

Several countries are finally talking about putting them under gambling laws/outright banning them. They just haven't done it yet. It will happen though I hope.

http://www.pcgamer.com/us-lawmaker-who-called-out-star-wars-battlefront-2-lays-out-plans-for-anti-loot-box-law/

Here is an article about it.

Also just using a CC a proof of age doesn't work (kids still use credit cards)and eventually that will not be enough. There is a lot of talk about it. Like I said before, it is gambling and eventually it will be regulated as it should be.

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Miská wrote:

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Orbitalx wrote:

Several countries are finally talking about putting them under gambling laws/outright banning them. They just haven't done it yet. It will happen though I hope.

http://www.pcgamer.com/us-lawmaker-who-called-out-star-wars-battlefront-2-lays-out-plans-for-anti-loot-box-law/

Here is an article about it.

Also just using a CC a proof of age doesn't work (kids still use credit cards)and eventually that will not be enough. There is a lot of talk about it. Like I said before, it is gambling and eventually it will be regulated as it should be.

I think you misunderstood me. CC is already acceptable as proof of age online with some gambling sites. Some request an ID copy (Not very hard for kids to get their hands on either). I mean I am quite interested to hear what you think the method should be to confirm someone's age. And at what point does a companies responsibility ends? And parent's and kids themselves are responsible for their actions.

p.s Politicians talking about laws and actual laws are not the same thing.

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Orbitalx wrote:

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Miská wrote:

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Orbitalx wrote:

Several countries are finally talking about putting them under gambling laws/outright banning them. They just haven't done it yet. It will happen though I hope.

http://www.pcgamer.com/us-lawmaker-who-called-out-star-wars-battlefront-2-lays-out-plans-for-anti-loot-box-law/

Here is an article about it.

Also just using a CC a proof of age doesn't work (kids still use credit cards)and eventually that will not be enough. There is a lot of talk about it. Like I said before, it is gambling and eventually it will be regulated as it should be.

I think you misunderstood me. CC is already acceptable as proof of age online with some gambling sites. Some request an ID copy (Not very hard for kids to get their hands on either). I mean I am quite interested to hear what you think the method should be to confirm someone's age. And at what point does a companies responsibility ends? And parent's and kids themselves are responsible for their actions.

p.s Politicians talking about laws and actual laws are not the same thing.

Politicians first talk about passing laws and then they make them if they think they should or if they have enough support(or get bribed to not make them). So talking about them is the first step. Mostly I think politicians are not familiar with what goes on in video games. They are old farts :). It will take the newer generation of politicians to pass these laws. That is what has been happening the last few years. It has been gaining momentum.

Well using a fake ID is illegal and if they are caught that will be a crime. I am sure a some form of registration will be required to validate your age to use these gambling sites/gambling games once they regulate it properly. An ID and valid CC matching your ID would probably be enough. Of course you can commit fraud and get a fake id. But that would then be a crime and I don't think at that point it would be the responsibility of the the video games/online gambling sites. The difference is right now that isn't required in any video games I have played that have gambling boxes. Also, in a lot of them, they outright trick children into spending real money. Some game makers have already had to pay some of this money back as a result of court settlements. See the article I posted earlier about a 30 something million dollar settlement.

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galuf wrote:

as soon as pay in f2p we are whales. But let's be happy whales.

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Politicians first talk about passing laws and then they make them if they think they should or if they have enough support(or get bribed to not make them). So talking about them is the first step. Mostly I think politicians are not familiar with what goes on in video games. They are old farts :). It will take the newer generation of politicians to pass these laws. That is what has been happening the last few years. It has been gaining momentum.

Well using a fake ID is illegal and if they are caught that will be a crime. I am sure a some form of registration will be required to validate your age to use these gambling sites/gambling games once they regulate it properly. An ID and valid CC matching your ID would probably be enough. Of course you can commit fraud and get a fake id. But that would then be a crime and I don't think at that point it would be the responsibility of the the video games/online gambling sites. The difference is right now that isn't required in any video games I have played that have gambling boxes. Also, in a lot of them, they outright trick children into spending real money. Some game makers have already had to pay some of this money back as a result of court settlements. See the article I posted earlier about a 30 something million dollar settlement.

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So faking an ID is a crime, but stealing a CC is not? Surely if they can't be held responsible for stealing a CC they can't be held responsible for faking an ID?

You are also getting off subject about how games are tricking people etc. This topic is about GGG and their lootboxes. Let's stick to that.

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Orbitalx wrote:

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Politicians first talk about passing laws and then they make them if they think they should or if they have enough support(or get bribed to not make them). So talking about them is the first step. Mostly I think politicians are not familiar with what goes on in video games. They are old farts :). It will take the newer generation of politicians to pass these laws. That is what has been happening the last few years. It has been gaining momentum.

Well using a fake ID is illegal and if they are caught that will be a crime. I am sure a some form of registration will be required to validate your age to use these gambling sites/gambling games once they regulate it properly. An ID and valid CC matching your ID would probably be enough. Of course you can commit fraud and get a fake id. But that would then be a crime and I don't think at that point it would be the responsibility of the the video games/online gambling sites. The difference is right now that isn't required in any video games I have played that have gambling boxes. Also, in a lot of them, they outright trick children into spending real money. Some game makers have already had to pay some of this money back as a result of court settlements. See the article I posted earlier about a 30 something million dollar settlement.

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So faking an ID is a crime, but stealing a CC is not? Surely if they can't be held responsible for stealing a CC they can't be held responsible for faking an ID?

You are also getting off subject about how games are tricking people etc. This topic is about GGG and their lootboxes. Let's stick to that.

They should be held responsible for both. They both are crimes. One is a lot easier to do than the other though. Also, using a fake id that has your own name on it is much less of a crime than using a fake id that has someone else's name on it. A kid that is underage can't get a CC in their own name. This means that they would have to get a fake ID with someone else's name on it to use that credit card to buy gambling boxes. This is credit card fraud and identity theft. It is actually much worse than just using your parents credit card. It is also a LOT harder to get a fake ID in someone else's name because you are using that for a serious crime, not just buying booze at the liquor store. (This part I am not 100% sure about. I could be wrong that it is a lot worse but I am pretty sure it is)

Most of the time when the kids get caught using their parents credit card, their parents get stuck paying the bill and they don't want to press charges against their own kid. Now if their kid gets a fake id with their name on it to use their parents credit card, well that is real bad. But forcing that extra step will prevent a lot of the unauthorized use.

Thousands of times a year, kids use their parents credit cards (most of the time because they are linked to an account and already active) to buy things without their parents permission. This happened a lot with xbox live and other similar systems with multiple users. Sometimes the kids did not realize what they were doing and other times they did. This is a common thing. Requiring users to show ID and a valid credit card matching the ID would eliminate a lot of the fraudulent charges and kids gambling. It is more of a deterrent. Obviously nothing is perfect. Also I am not in charge of creating a law to stop children from gambling lol. That does not mean there shouldn't be one.

Again, look at my post about the rates of drops from gambling boxes from GGG. They are actually misleading you into buying them with fake chances. They are real chances on the first box, but after that your chances go down each box after that. So it is relevant to this conversation.

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DoubleU wrote:

Stop buying so many?