youve trashed the game

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Ashen_Shugar_IV wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

How many characters are gonna get a 8+ link with tier 1 rolls and the right gem setup? Come on dude.

The fuck?
Do you even have any idea who GGG are?
These are the same people who nerfed exp by 40% for about the same size of the population literally 3 days ago.

The answer to your question is: "More than enough, obviously".

Which basically means this thread is all for not. Because the average player is not seeing those items.

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allbusiness wrote:

Because the average player is not seeing those items.

This can't be a reason for this shit to exist.

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allbusiness wrote:

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Ashen_Shugar_IV wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

How many characters are gonna get a 8+ link with tier 1 rolls and the right gem setup? Come on dude.

The fuck?
Do you even have any idea who GGG are?
These are the same people who nerfed exp by 40% for about the same size of the population literally 3 days ago.

The answer to your question is: "More than enough, obviously".

Which basically means this thread is all for not. Because the average player is not seeing those items.

Well.. i can give a pretty decent idea of the probability based on just a single day of mapping. Hell just one map for that matter where i had 2 chest, a ring, and a 2H Sword ALL drop in the same map.. Ive got damn near a tab full of these bases right now and only been mapping since Sunday morning. Its Monday night right now.. But you guys are right in the idea that getting the items might be no problem from simply playing the game but getting them to roll the best shit in combination to make the absolute most broken shit possible.. Yeah welcome to your new currency sink.. Hell a hole you throw your currency in. And deep one at that..

But thing is this again is 3 days into the league.. No one has hit lvl 8 masters yet and thats where shit will get real crazy.. Once people start meta crafting on these things. I expect exalts to be well over 100C each in this league might even see a new high we never seen before 150+..

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Demonoz wrote:

Those mods there are 4 of them one of each element that rolls up to 40% then one that like Doomfletches mod... up to 30% of EACH element.. And since they are all the same they are all either a prefix or a suffix.. Meaning you can have a combination of 3 of these mods together.. ofcourse good luck getting this to happen. But thing is they will make their way back to std where people seem to forget eternals still exist. And while we might not see the perfect 30% each+40%+40% whatever.. you WILL see it soon once this all makes its way to std.

And I remember Charan asking if his Goddess Unleashed could grant added damage to spells too, they said no. Mind you, that was in the works with the old recipe in mind, the one with a 6L Lithe.

You know, Snorkle, I think this is way too much to be a mistake or a miscommunication of some sort, so you're most likely wasting your time. Yup, these items are supposed to be broken like this and they know perfectly well what they can and will do, that can mean all sorts of things and I like none of them.

How bad is it, really? Genuine question, I've never been wealthy or patient enough to acquire what you would call a t1 weapon and melee was never really my cup of tea, so I have no frame of reference here. Weren't dual-wielding characters already using common off-hand weapons like Tempestuous Steel and Death's Hand to boost their damage tremendously with minimal opportunity cost?

I've been pretty casual in my progression in Abyss so far, barely done any mapping, so no idea how common those crazy rares are either. I'm a bit torn, on one hand I love the new additions to the rare affixes pool and feel like they're finally making end-game rares exciting again, but on the other hand you obviously don't want relatively frequent combinations to render half the itemization we know so far obsolete.

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Ashen_Shugar_IV wrote:

Surprise void league?

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Demonoz wrote:

Those mods there are 4 of them one of each element that rolls up to 40% then one that like Doomfletches mod... up to 30% of EACH element.. And since they are all the same they are all either a prefix or a suffix.. Meaning you can have a combination of 3 of these mods together.. ofcourse good luck getting this to happen. But thing is they will make their way back to std where people seem to forget eternals still exist.

thing is guys




this isnt a league, this is an expansion, this is already in standard its part of the core game. Im grinding maps in standard right now that have shaper on them and theres people in that league with 50,000 chaos orbs on hand along with 10k+ exalts and lvl8 masters. This shit is going on as we speak, people are almost certainly chaining red tier 8 sextant breach zana maps that drop shaper/elder bases and setting upon them with more currency and essences than they could ever expend.

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Rockstopper wrote:

How bad is it, really? Genuine question, I've never been wealthy or patient enough to acquire what you would call a t1 weapon and melee was never really my cup of tea, so I have no frame of reference here. Weren't dual-wielding characters already using common off-hand weapons like Tempestuous Steel and Death's Hand to boost their damage tremendously with minimal opportunity cost?

imagine if you could offhand 4 tempestuous steel swords at once, thats what 1 of these new items can potentially do for you with 3 mods on it, and god knows what else it can do with the other 3 mods on top.

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raics wrote:

You know, Snorkle, I think this is way too much to be a mistake or a miscommunication of some sort, so you're most likely wasting your time. Yup, these items are supposed to be broken like this and they know perfectly well what they can and will do, that can mean all sorts of things and I like none of them.

I feel like theyve given up. they dont care anymore, its like a painter whos been slaving over a masterpiece of art for 4 years and is now so bored of it its just like fuck it, lets paint a comedy hat and moustache on the figures, it doesnt matter any more its dead to me.

Theres no care, no respect for the game, no sense of pride or responsibility for what theyve created, they simply have got to the end of the line and they dont give a fuck, just slap anything in the game and whatever happens happens, balance, testing, consequences, long term health, who gives a fuck at this point right? You got one guy running around wondering if he should nerf the amount of armour on this unique from 5k to 4k and this other guy 4 desks down just decided to give people 3 free hatred auras on some blase whim, whoever is supposed to be taking care of the bigger picture is just afk, doesnt give a fuck.




GGG if u dont care enough about your game to take care of it why should we care enough to keep funding it? Were paying you to give a shit, do you think you could at least pretend that you do?

Oh i get that Snorkle but heres the thing.. Alot of the stuff that ends up being finished in std comes from league too. People will try to make the best they can in league for that content and what happens is if someone hits some lucky 3 T1 Prefix/Suffix someone in standard will find them contact them and make arrangements for when merge happens they get the item to finish in std. Thats actually where Brode Twine i think it was come from. It was made to start with in League and then once it got to standard it was bought and finished to its current prefect 6 T1 status.

The hardest part of the process is getting it in a state to be worth continuing with the most expensive process's thats why instead of people trying to invest all that currency to get the item started they can just wait 3 months and have the hardest part done and then its all about the meta crafting from there. And this can save them currency in the process possibly. But yeah at the same time someone could get lucky in std before then and hit the 3T1 and continue crafting but again this is all a process and even starting 3 days ago it might be a month or monthssss before we start seeing the fruits of this labor. But none the less im not gonna disagree either.. Their coming theres no stopping it now. Its a done deal.

My theory is they have a plan.. they have to.. Theres no way in hell i will believe they dont know what their doing and this is a sign of whats to come.. Content so insanely difficult that it will require some of the best possible things that can come from these new additions to even have a chance. Thats the only thing i can think of that is why we are seeing such powerful things come in this expansion. I expect to see something insane content wise added in the next year that sheds light on such powerful items being possible. There just had to be man.. Think about this past year.. We got 2.0 then right after we get Ascendancy and at that time was some of be biggest power creep almost on par with what we see today with this stuff.. Well not quite ok but follow me here. Then after Ascendancy come what?

Atlas, Guardians, Shaper.. Content that you NEEDED this OP Ascendancy shit to make it possible. Thats my theory. And i hope im right man i really do.

thing is like ash says, its virtually all dps, so it could only be dps check content. Either u have a million dps or you cant do it sort of stuff. I feel like the problem the game had was that they couldnt properly balance content because of the dps gap between build A and build B. Methods like phys to ele, crit, just too much dps potential where one guy is a fairly nooby RT melee doing 50k dps and the next guy has 2,000,000 dps crit frostblades. They seemed to understand this, they were nerfing crit multi from multiplicative to additive, nerfing crit on the tree, trying to get some balance back and close that gap. Now...

I mean what now? Have they looked at a wide selection of build methods and balanced these 8+ link items so that it keeps a potential balance that results in healthy build diversity? Have they had that in mind with these global offhand stats? they havent even been able to balance with existing stuff, and how they add all this? What hope is there now?

On the forums the players are deeply caring and debating about the microbalance of building options, meanwhile GGG are just macronuking the entire game into complete oblivion to the point where any talk of balance between anything now is gone, we cant even have a balance conversation about anything in endgame because the entire thing is fucked out of its mind.






I feel bad for the abyss design guys. We were looking at the belt before launch saying well, if I use this belt Ill have 0.3% more life and 0.7% more dps than any other belt option, and thats a bit fucked. Whoever designed that has gone way too far, its now the bis belt, its too powerful. Poor dave in the abyss design room is getting this stick for his belt from the community that didnt even provide a 1% difference, thats the hairline of balance players are giving a shit about.

Meanwhile dougal and fred in the WftA balance room have their underpants on their heads, straws up their nose and theyre shitting in their hands and rubbing it on the walls. Oh fred I just made 2 items and if you use them together you get 400% more damage!!! LEL!!!!!! LEL!!!!!!!! UUGHHHHH LOL!!!!!!

I'll not lie.
Abyss is awesome and the power creep is of high quality. It's really fun.
But I'm almost certain that unless GGG disables abyss items from working after the league, this will bite us hard, very hard in the future.