youve trashed the game

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allbusiness wrote:
How many characters are gonna get a 8+ link with tier 1 rolls and the right gem setup? Come on dude.

This does not matter. Because have you hundreds of characters with this items or not - this shit are exist.
E = mc^(OMG)/wtf
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grepman wrote:
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allbusiness wrote:



DotA 2 has plenty of power creep since the inception of IceFrog's DotA and yet the game is still fine.

dota is a pvp game. power creep isnt as obvious nor is the player you're playing against static. and, DoTa is balanced really, really well.

how much of dota's content is rendered obsolete by the power creep ?


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Stop talking like power creep is a bad thing.

of course it's a bad thing. power creep renders past content obsolete. instead of making different content and having DIFFERENT horizontal content, new content is strictly more powerful than the previous iteration to the point where the older the content is, the more obsolete and uninteresting it is. its about as interesting as playing and constantly beating a 3 year old in chess.

this is one of the reasons Ive always liked vanilla D2 much more than LoD.



You obviously don't play DotA 2 at a very high level if you think new content doesn't render old content obsolete. Mirana on introduction to DotA 1 as well as other heroes like Spectre which were dramatically and mechanically far different were so batshit crazy overpowered that at times they were actually banned from competitive use. Why? Because they were so far ahead of other heroes mechanical wise that it was impossible to deal with.

Heroes like MK, Ember Spirit, and various other heroes on release ended up being grossly overpowered. Same with reworked heroes like Invoker, Storm Spirit, etc. all who had far more options then other heroes at their respective positions.


The power creep is on items, not on gems/general damage on the tree/ascendancy. None of the power creep that is accessible is free; it takes work to get to the best ones, and it takes alot of currency to churn out the most powerful possible items. That takes significant amounts of work. People praised the new Ascendancy content but fail to realize that was a MASSIVE amount of power creep, yet the same kids in this thread bitching about current shaper/elder items are the same ones who said 'git gud you have to work for your new powers.' This is exactly what the vast majority of you kids asked for, you bitched whined moaned and groaned for new chase items, and the chase items are in fact on rares, which are hard to obtain, not easy to roll to the correct stats, etc. and yet here we are losing our shit for some reason.


This isn't like before where I could build a fucking 10c poison/ignite build north of 1+ million DPS. Getting a 7+ link tier 1 rolled item will take significant amounts of currency and time invested.
Last edited by allbusiness#6050 on Dec 11, 2017, 6:55:13 PM
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allbusiness wrote:


You obviously don't play DotA 2 at a very high level if you think new content doesn't render old content obsolete.

I don't- in fact, I barely play dota at all. hence me asking.


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None of the power creep that is accessible is free; it takes work to get to the best ones

its just how fast you get to these items. the fact that there are these items 3 days (or how many ?) into the expansion is telling they arent exactly rare


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People praised the new Ascendancy content but fail to realize that was a MASSIVE amount of power creep

wait what ? I cite ascendancy as the first thing in power creep escalation in all of my posts on here and on reddit. and I post a lot of fucking posts about power creep because its ruined the game I loved.
I literally know no one who would love ascendancy without acknowledging the ridiculous power creep levels to the point where you could clear merciless areas without any allocated nodes on the tree.

edit: well, I dont know anyone who is a capable poster with critical thinking on this board, because anyone can see the power creep ascendancies were a huge power creep.
Last edited by grepman#2451 on Dec 11, 2017, 6:59:42 PM
its like day 3 of the league and 8 links are already out there, I can go and buy a 7 link hat on xyz right now in the league, and I can afford it, and Im what? lvl83? Im not even playing the league Im on standard and I can still afford it in the league after 2 days playing and doing absolutely nothing of any note to generate wealth while casually playing. I could have got to the level I am now on the first day and been richer than i am now if I put effort into it. A month into the league when were flooded with ilvl84 bases and we have 1k chaos in our stash to spam on items... yeah ok.

Theres people in my guild who are super casual players, one guy is lvl81 and hes using sunder with an offhand sword that gives im 2x hatred auras for free, hes one of the most casual dont give a fuck players I know and he had that on day 2 of a new league where the mechanic that drops them accumulates and gets more powerful over time, a month from now we will all be grinding red tier maps with this shit dropping constantly.

like grepman says, powercreep in a pvp game where the power is being used by both sides who are fighting is ultimately and equal position, it is in no way comparable to a game where its pve so the power creep is on the player unless you power creep the mobs equally to match. So shall we multiply the damage and defenses of the mobs by what, 3x what they are now to balance the power the way it naturally is in a pvp game?
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
So shall we multiply the damage and defenses of the mobs by what, 3x what they are now to balance the power the way it naturally is in a pvp game?
this is what gets me too

people are just fine with player power being buffed into stratosphere, but somehow burst damage from mobs are a no-go and should be removed. when its like the only way mobs can even fight back from the absurd damage players deal.

sometimes I really wonder if the majority of playerbase would always turn on that iddqd on if there was such option in poe.

fighting ants with rocket launchers where your own rockets are the only danger.
Surprise void league?

Nah that would take balls. Templar has more pants than GGG has balls.

GGG have ruthlessly, systematically, efficiently broken-down almost every effective defensive mechanic this game has ever seen whilst simultaneously sending player-damage to the moon. That is not gameplay, that's a fucking coinflip.
This isn't a game anymore, it's a clicking simulator.


Probably 1/4 of my posts here for the last 2 years have mentioned/requested a (pending) Game Balance Manifesto post.
lol
fuck that now hahahaha.
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You can play any build you want, as long as it's the current meta.
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allbusiness wrote:

How many characters are gonna get a 8+ link with tier 1 rolls and the right gem setup? Come on dude.


The fuck?
Do you even have any idea who GGG are?
These are the same people who nerfed exp by 40% for about the same size of the population literally 3 days ago.

The answer to your question is: "More than enough, obviously".
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It's not a 13 week development cycle, it's a 13 week supporter-pack cycle.
You can play any build you want, as long as it's the current meta.
Last edited by Ashen_Shugar_IV#4253 on Dec 11, 2017, 7:30:07 PM
Well Snorkle if that doesn't already piss you off enough...

Those mods there are 4 of them one of each element that rolls up to 40% then one that like Doomfletches mod... up to 30% of EACH element.. And since they are all the same they are all either a prefix or a suffix.. Meaning you can have a combination of 3 of these mods together.. ofcourse good luck getting this to happen. But thing is they will make their way back to std where people seem to forget eternals still exist. And while we might not see the perfect 30% each+40%+40% whatever.. you WILL see it soon once this all makes its way to std.

Im so fucking glad i never bought into the mirror gear shit. Because if i did i would probably be even more upset than you. The only things that might still see value out of all the old mirror crafts are the ones you can use WITH these things in a mirror worthy crafted state for this being the stat stick from the deepest reaches of hell.. and a nice loathe bane to be that nice OP icing on the cake.

Anyone who argues this thing in particular is fine is either lying or has no fucking clue how anything works in this game.. The 8Ls.. 10Ls.. none of those have SHIT on this thing.. Cant wait to see what kinda fucking insane Quiver mods they cooked up to go with Brode Twine... LMAO. BTW... Done found a couple RINGS that rolls shit like lvl 22 Heralds and Life Gain on Hit with SPELLS.... way more than Cybils on a single ring slot.... Bwahahahahahah

EDIT: oh and i almost forgot ive been doing quite a bit of testing on the ones i get my hands on.. You know the shield with 5%ES on Block.. no other stipulation just block and 5%ES gained instant...
Well turns out not only is that way more fucking beyond broken then Legacy Aegis.. That roll is a Suffix... Meaning on an ES base shield you can roll Hybrid Life+ES%+ES Flat AND that 5% ES on block roll. Together. Or of course pure ES for CI versions with ES%+ES Flat+Es Hybrid... and room for 2 resistances just in case you know?

Maybe thats the idea though if you think about it.. these things are gonna be worth it in the right conditions to burn 80+Exalts eternals to craft he perfect ones.. That will for sure deplete whatever is left of them making it after the few get finished not possible to make shit like that anymore in std.. So there is that i guess.
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Last edited by Demonoz#1375 on Dec 11, 2017, 7:41:30 PM
I thought they were different, man. I saw the nerfs and it gave me hope........but then that happened.
They're just trying to make it fun in order to gain a new audience. Maybe they're not extracting as much cash out of the 5 year players anymore. Out with the old and in with the new!

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