youve trashed the game

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鬼殺し wrote:

I'm not sure how you can call someone saying the power levels of the game are out of control 'elitist'. If anything, snorkle is implicitly asking for a more egalitarian approach to balance where we don't HAVE these sorts of items aimed squarely at the upper, upper crust of the players.

And I'd like evidence of why you think he's the minority. By what proof or authority do you make that claim?

Thanks in advance.

Because literally last patch he was begging GGG to ask chase items. The chase items are now here. Getting god tier rares (as in really tier 1 legendary fucking lul afk destroy game items) is not easy; it wasn't easy before, and it won't be easy this league either. Why Snorkle is suddenly on the bandwagon nerf train is beyond me.

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allbusiness wrote:

1) You play SC where inflation is an issue. If you don't want that issue play HC where there is an item sink.

...wtf are you talking about?

riiiiiiiiiiiiight, there's definitely no power creep on hc. uh huh. /s

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allbusiness wrote:

2) The OP's thread is specifically about Elder/Shaper items

no, it isn't.

and you're not OP, anyway.

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allbusiness wrote:

which are basically nearly impossible to roll for all tier 1 rolls.

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because the t2/t3 rolls aren't ALSO super OP? oh, that 8L? sucks because 1 of the 4 added skills is ONLY level 18! it's crap, i guess!

derp.

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allbusiness wrote:

3) 'Complete lack of objectivity' you haven't even played the league

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i don't need to play the league to know it's OP bullshit.

also, the shaper/elder items, which you INSIST is the sole point of this, are in the core game, anyway... so the league is actually moot. GOOD JOB! a+ logic!

i can already see the tiers/affixes and etc, i don't need to play to know it's broken. also, i have no desire to play right now, since the game was ALREADY wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too easy. why would i want to play when it's even less challenging? derp.

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allbusiness wrote:

so why you even try to talk about what is overpowered and not overpowered is beyond me.

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Xavathos wrote:

on that assumption is crossing the line.

Bots are the problem, not the Chinese.

Um... no. so very laughable. There are hundreds if not thousands of ads in mainland china newspapaers and popular websites for gold farmers for dozens of games.

If you look at worldwide ddos attacks 94% originate from Singapore (a china proxy) or Moscow.

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allbusiness wrote:

None of it is free; you have to get the best mods on the hardest maps, and have to hope the best base drops, then actually roll it to the correct rolls. You act like people are just walking around in tier 1 rares like it's nbd. Which is why I'm calling absolute horse shit on this thread and the same people who keep screaming power creep.

Cool story. /s

Should I remind about those "epic" multi pseudolinked items that appeared for players just clearing "trash" in less than 1 week since the launch of WftA?

Now, be serious and multiply them via the number of currently playing players and at least the further 2 months and 3 weeks. Don't you see any kind of possible problem?

If you're talking about solely about best of the best "mirror tier" Shaper/Elder items for each and everyone of us, I'll concede and just say that they will get available in sufficient numbers with enough time (I'll bet that you'll agree that with current 0 drop restrictions, we should get there in about 1 year).

So why didn't GGG made at least a try to link "power creep" to difficulty aka Shaper/Elder items to bosses??? You do know that players will come accustomed to this current way of giving "free candy" for nothing, and will surely complain in the future when the "road bumps" appear...

Snorkle's request was that these new "chase" items to be gated by more than simple RNG and a further encouragement to skip bosses, as they should actually be an incentive to test yourself versus the harshest content, and if that would have mandated a further linking them to the difficulty (like better tier affixes should be solely on the items dropped from the corrupted dangerous multi modded aka 8-10 mods maps), but GGG dropped the ball completely by making them just "RNG craft/trade chase" items, as anyone with sufficient currency could either buy them or RNG craft them in a couple of months, if not already...

If you're still not seeing the problem, that's fine, as that's GGG stance too, but I'll patiently wait the further solution provided to the current problem, instead of asking for "nerfs" - and no, linking some of the current "opie-op" new chase rares after some difficult encounters isn't asking for a nerf, it's just asking for a "fair" danger/reward ratio to be implemented regarding the incentive to play the game instead of just RNG craft/trade for said benefits...

And let's not even open the "can of worms" that Stygian belts introduce, but at least for those GGG linked them to "difficult" content...

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k1rage wrote:

still feels the same to me lol

You have zero high characters. They are not even close to end game, and seems like you prefer the non-casting builds. For sure You will feel no changes. LOL.

They have added powerfull items. But have any of you tried the end game bosses yet? just wondering if they have become harder aswell.

Allso, thees items will get balanced in the next league so dont worry about it. If they even keep them.

I have another theory.

According to GGG, Significnat of people don't play end games, even less beat end game bosses like guardians/shaper.

With the new Elder/Shaper gears, more peopely may feel liek doing end game maps to loot them, & with all the sudo-5-6-7 links gears, more people will be able to beat end game contents, making them feel good, & well spend money on MTX.

But its just a theory

It's like going from D3 to RoS, best items became crap next to average from expansion. It's good, very good - lot of uniques were always overpriced, but most builds need at last one expensive unique. You can't force player to farm forever to be able to try things, it's suppose to come naturally. So yeah, now you have a reason to farm and play endgame. To make your character strong, not just with starter items. The game is much better than in times, when Shavrone costed 30+ ex. Now it's just 70c. But it's good, you know. Most people can try different things for affordable currency, while hardcore grinders will have their 8l, which won't be enough anyway, because one hit is one hit, it's Path of Glass Cannons anyway and the Elder+Shaper being final goals it's safe to say that even OP 8l items won't be enough to face-roll them with whatever build you want. Those OP items are here to make viable different builds than meta and make other items cheaper. Great change, one of the best GGG ever made.

I hope that game won't be too easy and new content will deliver like now map infestation did. Balance is ongoing thing, but making some things easier make people have more confidence to try their own builds, it's the core of PoE. No need to go for meta if you have currency and gear anyway. Online games are always like that: hard content, years pass, ok so only few people get there, let's make it easier for everyone, but instead add something else for stronger characters. Rinse, repeat.

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KiadawP wrote:

I have another theory.

According to GGG, Significnat of people don't play end games, even less beat end game bosses like guardians/shaper.

With the new Elder/Shaper gears, more peopely may feel liek doing end game maps to loot them, & with all the sudo-5-6-7 links gears, more people will be able to beat end game contents, making them feel good, & well spend money on MTX.

But its just a theory

I think that is good theory.

Fo example myself. I was never able to kill Atziri, i never did uber lab and i didnt reach ony guardian. Based on skills only without trating items and with limted time i was able to reach t13-14 maps but had neither time or desire to force myself into farming them for that one item that will help me to do those bosses. So i just stop playing and go into another game. But i know eventually there will be that league that will allow me to reach those bosses as i was able to reach 90 lvl (before i was able like till 75-76). Off course my understanding of game is growing and it gives fruits.

But as i understand PoE mechanics is like 20% of good build is skill tree and rest is gear. But to have good gear You need to farm high tier maps. But to be able to farm them you need gear. And that is crazy circle. So those items are maby something that should allow to break it?

You don't need to farm high tier maps to get good gear. You can farm tier 1 maps whole day and still equip whatever you want.