youve trashed the game

Players are salivating over the 6L gloves/helms or 8L 2Hs or body armors, but they aren't terribly overpowered when LOCAL mods are involved. If anything, they offer a lot more flexibility in gearing, as opposed to forcing players to strive for a 6L chest to maximize dps. Furthermore, it is considerably cheaper to get a vanilla 6L chest as use quality gems, and you probably will end up doing more dps anyways than the vast majority of supposedly "op" gear with extra gem links.

The main problem are the GLOBAL mods on certain items, such as mods that add to base crit chance or mods that add elemental damage as a percentage of physical damage. Those mods should never have been global - they should only apply to the gems slotted in those items. GGG will always have the option of converting them to local in the future, so all hope is not lost.

All in all, I think the introduction of shaper/elder items was definitely a step in the right direction - they should be excellent currency sinks and will motivate more people to actually craft or at the least chase after these items by running a wide variety of maps instead of just spamming one shaped map. Furthermore, the new gear mods will open up a lot of gem slots on gear, potentially leading to more flexibility and greater variety when it comes to skill selection (as opposed to just sticking in your set-up into a 6L chest and spamming that skill infinitely).

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mynewaccountisawsome wrote:

ok fanboy look its not like i dont like the game i just dont like the direction it's going right now
,mybe ppl complain because they like the game?;)

dont assume gender

could very well be that they are all fan girls

or fan-dinosaurs

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DicemanX wrote:

Players are salivating over the 6L gloves/helms or 8L 2Hs or body armors, but they aren't terribly overpowered when LOCAL mods are involved. If anything, they offer a lot more flexibility in gearing, as opposed to forcing players to strive for a 6L chest to maximize dps. Furthermore, it is considerably cheaper to get a vanilla 6L chest as use quality gems, and you probably will end up doing more dps anyways than the vast majority of supposedly "op" gear with extra gem links.

The main problem are the GLOBAL mods on certain items, such as mods that add to base crit chance or mods that add elemental damage as a percentage of physical damage. Those mods should never have been global - they should only apply to the gems slotted in those items. GGG will always have the option of converting them to local in the future, so all hope is not lost.

All in all, I think the introduction of shaper/elder items was definitely a step in the right direction - they should be excellent currency sinks and will motivate more people to actually craft or at the least chase after these items by running a wide variety of maps instead of just spamming one shaped map. Furthermore, the new gear mods will open up a lot of gem slots on gear, potentially leading to more flexibility and greater variety when it comes to skill selection (as opposed to just sticking in your set-up into a 6L chest and spamming that skill infinitely).

New gearing also opens up different options too, for example you could have a predominantly defensive setup while using the shaper/elder items to supplement your offense. People are looking at things too one dimensional.

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allbusiness wrote:

Yeah, casuals love having to slog through all the way to red tier maps, get thousands of crafting materials, roll and pray to RNG gods 3 times in a row (hope you get a good base, hope you get good rolls, hope you don't brick on an Aug/Regal/Exalt)

irony - noun - when your strawman attempt to show hyerbole ends up being absurdly hyperbolic.

i mean, it's even reductio ad absurdum, at this point.

no one needs "thousands of crafting materials" to roll one. and people don't even need to get them as drops, anyway. they can just trade for a base.

in addition, you ignore the fact that abyssal jewels are insanely cheap and OP and that many of the new uniques are insanely cheap and OP.

derp.

additionalllllly (yes, again), your argument is akin to suggesting that kaom's and shav's and etc should not have been nerfed because they were scarce, and therefore, most people didn't have them.

your own point isn't even about the itemization or power. you basically mooted it, yourself.

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robmafia wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

Yeah, casuals love having to slog through all the way to red tier maps, get thousands of crafting materials, roll and pray to RNG gods 3 times in a row (hope you get a good base, hope you get good rolls, hope you don't brick on an Aug/Regal/Exalt)

irony - noun - when your strawman attempt to show hyerbole ends up being absurdly hyperbolic.

i mean, it's even reductio ad absurdum, at this point.

no one needs "thousands of crafting materials" to roll one. and people don't even need to get them as drops, anyway. they can just trade for a base.

in addition, you ignore the fact that abyssal jewels are insanely cheap and OP and that many of the new uniques are insanely cheap and OP.

derp.

additionalllllly (yes, again), your argument is akin to suggesting that kaom's and shav's and etc should not have been nerfed because they were scarce, and therefore, most people didn't have them.

your own point isn't even about the itemization or power. you basically mooted it, yourself.

1) This thread is specifically about the Shaper/Elder items, the Abyssal Jewels are not a part of this. They are insanely OP, and will not make it into the main game as is.

2) You cannot get the best Shaper/Elder rolls without having T16 bases. Most casual players will never reach that. In temp leagues, these bases will cost alot of cash for quite sometime, especially in HC.

3) Kaoms and Shavs gave far more power than any of these items do, and were far more accessible because they were set rolls. The chances of you rolling all tier 1 rolls on a rare item are infinitely small; Brood Twine took literally thousands of exalts to craft (accounting for Eternal Orbs, etc.)


You cannot talk about itemization and power without talking about the rarity of the item. Of course, someone who actually played the game in temp leagues would actually know this. The reason why Kaoms was nerfed was because it's power was so drastic and that it was common enough that it was an issue, and literally overshadowed every single other item. This is not the case with the Elder/Shaped items.

The new Elder/Shaper rares simply increase power across the board for respective builds; very few if any of the new modifiers are so insanely broken (outside of a handful like global base crit, etc. that will likely be nerfed). In order for the items to be truly broken, you'd have to roll tier 1 rolls across the board, in which case you were likely already going to crush the game regardless.

Again, stop talking about power of uniques if you don't even play the fucking game in temp league. You clearly do not. You have no position to talk because you have no experience or actual gameplay knowledge/expertise currently in the league.

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Icholas wrote:

Dougal and Fred do seem to have gone way off the deep end.

the feces wall paint? that IS fred. dougal ate him after thinking that 8L helms were sensible.

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allbusiness wrote:

1) This thread is specifically about the Shaper/Elder items, the Abyssal Jewels are not a part of this. They are insanely OP, and will not make it into the main game as is.

wrong, it's specifically about power creep, and the abyssal jewels/uniques were mentioned numerously.

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allbusiness wrote:

2) You cannot get the best Shaper/Elder rolls without having T16 bases. Most casual players will never reach that. In temp leagues, these bases will cost alot of cash for quite sometime, especially in HC.

where have i heard this before? oh, right. when merciless/dictator's/runic tiers were added. i was against that power creep, too.

exactly how scarce were/are those ilvl 83 bases? oh, right. EVERYWHERE.

i barely played harbinger and i had 5 full tabs of ilvl 83+ relevant bases. got bored of harbinger after about a week and never did shit with them. because... you know, they were just so hard to find. *eye roll*

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allbusiness wrote:

3) Kaoms and Shavs gave far more power than any of these items do, and were far more accessible because they were set rolls. The chances of you rolling all tier 1 rolls on a rare item are infinitely small; Brood Twine took literally thousands of exalts to craft (accounting for Eternal Orbs, etc.)

wow. this is what a complete lack of objectivity and ostrich syndrome looks like.

still feels the same to me lol

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robmafia wrote:

wrong, it's specifically about power creep, and the abyssal jewels/uniques were mentioned numerously.



where have i heard this before? oh, right. when merciless/dictator's/runic tiers were added. i was against that power creep, too.

exactly how scarce were/are those ilvl 83 bases? oh, right. EVERYWHERE.

i barely played harbinger and i had 5 full tabs of ilvl 83+ relevant bases. got bored of harbinger after about a week and never did shit with them. because... you know, they were just so hard to find. *eye roll*



wow. this is what a complete lack of objectivity and ostrich syndrome looks like.

1) You play SC where inflation is an issue. If you don't want that issue play HC where there is an item sink.



2) The OP's thread is specifically about Elder/Shaper items which are basically nearly impossible to roll for all tier 1 rolls. There will be extremely strong items this league that shit on mirror tier gear, sure. But a Broodtwine is still beating about 95% of the Elder/Shaper Bows you could possibly get. People keep focusing on the offensive mods and don't realize how many insane defensive rolls you can get. Are people complaining about Disfavour being overpowered? No. Why? Because the item is gated behind multiple walls of RNG, despite the fact that it literally shits on like 99.9% of 2H weapons for temp leagues. Why people think suddenly everyone's gonna have tier 1 Shaper/Elder rares is beyond me.



3) 'Complete lack of objectivity' you haven't even played the league so why you even try to talk about what is overpowered and not overpowered is beyond me. The fact that you're trying to criticize me by accusing me of logical fallacies on a gaming board should already show much how of a condescending elitist you actually are. The fact that you don't play the temp leagues, play SC, haven't even touched a shaper/elder item, etc. and still try to accuse GGG of terrible balancing is funny as fuck, and yet here you are accusing me of not being objective.


Do keep making yourself look real good :)

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

thats global? so 2 hatred auras....

8 link items, potentially 10 links, with the potential for a statstick offhand with 150% of physical as extra elemental?


People make comments about withdrawing support because of this or that balance change and whatever, and usually its nonsense. But for me this has just ended me taking this game seriously at all, I invested all this time and money into a serious game, youve completely fucked your game, you do realise that right? This is a complete and utter joke, wtf were you thinking?


well done, you had an amazing game that for all its ups and downs went for what? 5 years? and managed to maintain a serious level of credibility, and youve just completely fucked it up.

Yet another elitist opinion from one of the games MINORITY.

Nothing to see here...