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Fhark wrote:

you dont sound like youve ever played ice shot you take a shit ton of reflect dmg from it do you take the cone dmg every time no, but you can take both very easily eg hit one enemy infront cone hits the enemy behind who is also hit by another projectile, this will pretty much happen multiple times daily and more so if you use chain.

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Shppy wrote:

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Fhark wrote:

you dont sound like youve ever played ice shot you take a shit ton of reflect dmg from it do you take the cone dmg every time no, but you can take both very easily eg hit one enemy infront cone hits the enemy behind who is also hit by another projectile, this will pretty much happen multiple times daily and more so if you use chain.

...and what makes you think tshot or LA or whatnot won't? They both potentially hit individual targets several more times per attack than Ice shot, even if for slightly lower damage per hit. I've played all three and more, ice shot's inadvertent reflect woes are considerably lower than the other two.

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sidtherat wrote:

only builds that take their DPS to unreasonable levels can one-shot themselves vs reflect

cut down the DPS, use low-dmg setup for ofscreening, build any kind of defences vs your own damage (it is obvious, isnt it - you know what kills you yet you do what exactly?)

reflect is a speed bump this game needs. otherwise all we will see are stupid glass cannon meta uber speed meta clear (with Biscos) making economy saturated in 1 week after league starts

power creep 'we enjoy' ruins this game and reflect is one of the last obstacles before it all turns into clown fiesta clicker game

Like really who on earth plays ARPGs to purposely gimp their characters? No one! No one plays games like this to make their characters weak.. The entire point of games like this it to progress your character to as powerful as possible..

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An outdated mechanic is the issue here NOT that people need to start doing shit with their builds that defeats the entire point of playing the game. If damage is an issue GGG needs to make adjustments across the board then not make player make shit builds on purpose..

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I mean seriously.. Have you ever done endgame content? Guardians? Shaper? Its quite obvious you have not because the only way that content is even possible is to push your damage as far as possible.

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So with what your saying is if you want to deal with reflect then just make builds that will NEVER have the chance to do all the content?

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Another fine example of the community being its own worst enemy..

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tidbit wrote:

My 2 cents:

you chose a skill, and gear, and a build, and everything else. deal with what you created.
Don't like that you kill yourself? That extra defense/pantheon/ascendancy class/whatever doesn't look so useless now, does it? Make a compromise (less damage/swap some items/whatever) or deal with it.

In the past people also complained about light radius. Guess that stat on gear doesn't look so useless when you need it.
If you're dying to stuff (including yourself) that defense, evasion, resists, sybils, whatever doesn't look so bad when you need it.

If you're one-shotting everything, including yourself, destroying all bosses in 1-6 seconds, you could afford going back a couple notches on dps to make yourself actually live. Maybe the second weapon set can be 'junk' gear (less than 2ex) non-21/20 gems to only give you a puny 200k dps with 25k per hit. More than enough for mobs of any tier & reflect safe. boss time? press X.

Just because something poses a threat to the top 10% doesn't mean it's a bad mechanic, it helps keep things in check ever so slightly. Adapt or die (or suicide).

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grepman wrote:

PoE meta was always changing. if I hate the clearspeed meta and am still playing the game, why cant others adapt to nerfs ? especially since most overkill damage that comes to play on reflect is simply not needed against pre-t16 content