Statistical customisation invites tinkering, and the passive tree does not allow it

He also wanted to do a sorc, wasn't sure yet which type of damage he wanted to do (I showed him the skill page, it felt like lightning was really lacking except for Spark).

Freezing Pulse sucked hard early when I tried it, Cold Snap was fine.
Right now he's using Cold Snap and Firestorm.
He also liked Corpse Explosion but when he saw the dex req, he dropped it (I also told him he could spec a bit of dex because there's some interesting support like Pierce of Multi Projectiles, but he didn't want to do that).

Now with more points into minion and around level 35, it seems better. He has less problem with mana and doesn't have to respawn his minion every sec, now he can finally use his skills.

"

RodHull wrote:

Thats just pathetic, sorry but it is. You wont play a game you like cause despite being able to easily come by enough respec points to rebuild you whole character you are prevented from doing it whenever you want. You even said yourself you haven't utilised the system in place, why not? If you want to its easy to get around 30 or 40 respec points no hassle at all, even easier come release when a proper trade economy starts up.

Hide behind other reasons all you want, fact is you want full easy respecs to basically tweak and overpower your build based on circumstance, so if you want to PVP you will min/max a pvp build, then switch back to a PVE build. Sorry but many of us (and the developers) would prefer a system that asks you to choose and weigh up pros and cons rather than letting everyone do what they want without consequence.

And as someone who played D2 from release for many years, it wasnt until the WOW crowd migrated in years later that respecs where even mentioned. The very concept of respecs was not even popular until games like WOW.

So yeah D2 was popular for a long time before respecs where even mentioned by the wider player base.

Next time you will say some "facts" about someone else, think about it at least for a second.. because.. in FACT you are wrong.

Current respec system is not easy.. while it exists ..it's stupid.. it's based on RNG and you will get very little points while questing...

I don't care how much expansive full respec option would be.. or if it will be free. But there should be proper respec system in my opinion. You can read just this thread and see many people wont continue playing with current system..and many already stopped because of current standpoint against respec system.

Fighting against something what can be made in way it wont affect you is stupid... People should just accept many people like different things..and enjoy game differently.. No-one is asking to cut your fun from the game..don't do the same thing for others.

Again.. I wont play this game because my friends wont be playing it without proper respec system. I am sorry..and I really like PoE..it's great game..

how can you really mess up totally with your build ?
you want to use one handed sword? go for it, take one handed passive... all the passives you could take around that WILL DO the job!

don't say to me that someone is stupid enough to take some one handed passives, and sudenly want to go two hander because one handed sucks, and finaly after seing the majesty of ice spear took some cold passive in the witch area for is marauder ?

this game let you choice what'll be your character, from the begining to the end.
all you have to do is to choice a way to fight and keep it.
this character is YOUR character for month he'll be using his one handed sword and you want the possibility that he can forget all these month playing with sword to fight with dual wands?
here you're creating a "real" character like in a... RPG...
yes a role playing game, you know the one originaly playing on a tabletop, where you was rolling dices for your stats and whatever the result you was playing with it.
I've played countless characters with basics flaws (fighter with no constitution bonuses for example), and keep playing theim, and some of them was more sucessfull than my perfect ones....

everyone know that in every game you have to specialise every builds around some stricts constances. don't take fire skills and lightnings ones if you want to really have a good damage dps with cold!
is that complicated?!!

in top of that, you whine on low level characters without the basic understanding wich rule these kind of games. for example, again, a magic using class user may seem to suck at start to really shine when he's high level....etc....

and last : there'll be a lot of competitives players in this game and there'll be a lot of pre-made cookie cutter builds everywhere... don't worry you'll not have to build your own character soon after the release (and maybe during the open)!!!

and it's a closed beta, not the game, we are here to fail builds...
alas! learning curves aren't anymore at all... we have just to look at the big one next door... there you can have your generic level 60 bland and virginal barbarian... in 15 seconds he could be any type of barbarian wich could have ever existed!
that's the dream isn't it ?.......

"

ManiaCCC wrote:

Fighting against something what can be made in way it wont affect you is stupid...

Its an absolute ignorance to claim that ot would not affect other players, thats simply a huge lie.
Everything what gives one player a direct advantage,affect others in a competetive situation - and it is competetive in many major aspects: rankings, survivability, pvp,,,,

"

Mr_Cee wrote:

"

ManiaCCC wrote:

Fighting against something what can be made in way it wont affect you is stupid...

Its an absolute ignorance to claim that ot would not affect other players, thats simply a huge lie.
Everything what gives one player a direct advantage,affect others in a competetive situation - and it is competetive in many major aspects: rankings, survivability, pvp,,,,

Please, tell me how separating these two groups of players into own league .. one default and one casual will affect anyone? Anyone can choose rules.

Stop with it already.

"

ManiaCCC wrote:

"

Mr_Cee wrote:

"

ManiaCCC wrote:

Fighting against something what can be made in way it wont affect you is stupid...

Its an absolute ignorance to claim that ot would not affect other players, thats simply a huge lie.
Everything what gives one player a direct advantage,affect others in a competetive situation - and it is competetive in many major aspects: rankings, survivability, pvp,,,,

Please, tell me how separating these two groups of players into own league .. one default and one casual will affect anyone? Anyone can choose rules.

Stop with it already.

Path of the Exile is not a casual game. Stop with it already. Get over it, it's not changing, and if you don't like it then leave. The devs have already stated they are NOT going to do a full respec system. They may make it easier, but it's still not going to be a full respec.

"

ManiaCCC wrote:

Please, tell me how separating these two groups of players into own league .. one default and one casual will affect anyone? Anyone can choose rules.

People like Sickness havent this in mind - they claim to put the difficulty setting into one common league, and thats what I'm argumenting against.

I have absolutely no problem, with different leagues with different scaled difficulty - thats what leagues are made for, and how its announced to be desired by the devs.
Sickness & co argument, they wont be separated cause it would make no sense...

"

Mr_Cee wrote:

People like Sickness havent this in mind - they claim to put the difficulty setting into one common league, and thats what I'm argumenting against.

I have absolutely no problem, with different leagues with different scaled difficulty - thats what leagues are made for, and how its announced to be desired by the devs.
Sickness & co argument, they wont be separated cause it would make no sense...

Why are you dragging me into this? They are discussing respecs here.
And stop putting words in my mouth, would you?

Your campaign to plaster my name to every opinion you disagree with is pathetic.



"Sickness don't want seperate leagues for different types of respec"
"Sickness only want endgame content"
"Sickness want to turn this into a wow clone"
"Sickness don't care about leveling"

I'm getting sick of reading all the bullshit from you.

"

Sickness wrote:

Your campaign to plaster my name to every opinion you disagree with is pathetic.

TBF you do a good job of that yourself by turning up in every negative thread and posting how massive changes need to be made in order for the game to succeed as though you are the law when it comes to ARPGs.

Ever wondered why more than a few people on the forums already perceive you as a self important moaner? Whether their right is irrelavent, its how you come across in most of your posts.

"

ManiaCCC wrote:

You can read just this thread and see many people wont continue playing with current system..and many already stopped because of current standpoint against respec system.

Thats strange cause the only person I remember stating they wont play because of this was you. So maybe you should check your facts before making false assumptions, what do you reckon?

And its not hard to get respec points at all. I have about 3 regret orbs, I have 9 scouring orbs (which can be traded 2 for 1 with regret orbs at the forest vendor) and I have about 14 chance orbs which can traded 2 for 1 with scouring at the same vendor.

Without farming them, saving them or even trying I have access to about 12 respec orbs + the 12 odd ive already used over my two characters + the 3 respec points per playthrough. That makes about 36 points I could have respeced, thats enough to totally change my build, what more do you want pray tell?

"

RodHull wrote:

TBF you do a good job of that yourself by turning up in every negative thread and posting how massive changes need to be made in order for the game to succeed as though you are the law when it comes to ARPGs.

You really are full of shit. I state my opinion on things that I think will improve the game. I never said "do X or the game will fail miserably" or anything like it.

Unlike you I'm not a overly biased ARPG fanboy. YOU are the one who constantly makes statements about how things are or aren't "ARPG" enough. If it's not your idea of an "ARPG mechanic" then it doesn't belong in the game.


FYI, I didn't even post in this thread before Mr_Cee made his ridiculous post. I don't want to be invloved in this ridiculous respec discussion where one side is saying that the game will fail without respec and the other side is saying that the game will fail with respec.
If you ask me those are both ridiculous positions.
Yet for some reason Mr_Cee decided to drag me into it.