Is Vaal Pact a cheese mechanic?

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adghar wrote:

Wow, I had no idea strawpolls had the power to instill such rage. I'm, er, sorry?

I'm not a sith, though, so I generally don't agree with absolutes like "Removing an option is never going to be good." Imagine you had a button that we'll call the "pickle button." All Scions can spec into this node near the Scion start that grants you the pickle button and pressing the pickle button kills all enemies on your screen instantly. Now you can immediately see a few problems with this. People are going to be psychologically pressured to play Scion, hence you see posts like "omg Scion OP, please nerf," and of course when you hop into parties you'll see nothing but Scions. But even supposing you could handwave those issues away, all like "if you don't like it don't play it!" "mind your own business" etc., you happen to notice the game developers starting to say things like, "Oh, the Giant Weta enemy is perfectly balanced, you see players killing it all the time" "But Chris the only players that can kill it are the ones who specced into the pickle button..."

This is all very theoretical, of course. I don't have the slightest clue if Vaal Pact is actually overpowered, which is why I started this topic to get everyone's opinions.

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ShadyC wrote:

Reading my post over, I see nothing ragey about it.

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I'm also pretty sure if you "remove VP," half of the playerbase will finally uninstall the game. ES is gone. We were pigeonholed into Life, forcing a lot of people to remake their chars. What do you think forcing people to remake their chars yet again is going to do? (Building for VP and building for life regen are vastly different.)

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Kastmar wrote:

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VictusBcb wrote:

Honestly, I decided to finally give VP a shot with a berserker I made recently. I have to say that I absolutely hate it, and if feels disabling. My experience will likely be different than that of others, but I play with a 700-900ms ping, so DoTs can be extremely deadly for me. When I start taking a heavy bleed or something, I won't even know it for nearly a second.

So yeah, definitely prefer to regen about 700+ hp/sec.

You are not alone. I'm missing hp reg. Also. I think very good HP reg. is better than VP.

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VictusBcb wrote:

Honestly, I decided to finally give VP a shot with a berserker I made recently. I have to say that I absolutely hate it, and if feels disabling. My experience will likely be different than that of others, but I play with a 700-900ms ping, so DoTs can be extremely deadly for me. When I start taking a heavy bleed or something, I won't even know it for nearly a second.

So yeah, definitely prefer to regen about 700+ hp/sec.

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adghar wrote:

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ShadyC wrote:

Spoiler

This again?

Removing VP will just pigeonhole players even more. Removing an option is never going to be good.

Because that's what VP is. An option.

What if VP users were like, "GGG needs to remove life regen. It's a survival option and it works in keeping a player alive. I don't like that. I want struggle struggle struggle!"

Then VP is the only remaining method of regaining your life pool.

Because that's the reality.

There's VP, and there's life regen. Why remove 1 of the 2 options?

Even a couple life regen users in here admitted the weakness of VP. You rely on having an active target. Whereas life regen is literally always there for you. It just doesn't heal as fast as active VP healing - generally speaking.

And it's not like you can just click on the VP keystone and say, "ALRIGHT, TO HELL WITH DEFENSIVES!" People act like VP is a one-button wonder. Get VP, and you're free to stack billions of damage.

No.

You still need other defensives. You can't leech life when you're dead. And you can't attack every frame.

This topic is over. If you wish to continue it, I want to see other threads as well, like, "nerf Enfeeble."
"Nerf Fortify."
"Nerf criticals."

Wow, I had no idea strawpolls had the power to instill such rage. I'm, er, sorry?

I'm not a sith, though, so I generally don't agree with absolutes like "Removing an option is never going to be good." Imagine you had a button that we'll call the "pickle button." All Scions can spec into this node near the Scion start that grants you the pickle button and pressing the pickle button kills all enemies on your screen instantly. Now you can immediately see a few problems with this. People are going to be psychologically pressured to play Scion, hence you see posts like "omg Scion OP, please nerf," and of course when you hop into parties you'll see nothing but Scions. But even supposing you could handwave those issues away, all like "if you don't like it don't play it!" "mind your own business" etc., you happen to notice the game developers starting to say things like, "Oh, the Giant Weta enemy is perfectly balanced, you see players killing it all the time" "But Chris the only players that can kill it are the ones who specced into the pickle button..."

This is all very theoretical, of course. I don't have the slightest clue if Vaal Pact is actually overpowered, which is why I started this topic to get everyone's opinions.