When are we getting better trading tools?

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Destructodave wrote:

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Zaphkier wrote:

My point ? It's a wild guess (not really) but i think most people who are part of this "Elite" just don't want to share a more open and accessible market.

With Poe.trade we already have an indirect AH and all the cancer coming with it. Dumb prices, "meta flipping", BiS/FotM irregularity etc...
The only difference is that it's not accessible to the "casual" player. It's just not.

Far from "D3-ing" the game adding an ingame trading area/emporium would simply open-up the market to more people. It won't dumb down the knowledge on how to price your items or what's worth selling and what's not. But it will allow more people to sell shit, ffs.

I agree, and have said it off and on for years when I'm around. The people who are so adamant about not having an AH in-game are mostly people who want to keep the status quo and keep milking PoE.Trade and casuals for all they are worth.

And the more you argue with people about it the more obvious it becomes. There are some naive ones here and there that were burned by D3 or like SSF or whatever, but a lot of people gain a ton of wealth by abusing people who don't have a clue. Right now, the economy in PoE is a seller's paradise. No regulation, no punishment, nothing. You can abuse it to your heart's content for wealth with no reprocussions. The person who suffers are legitimate buyers. Noobs. Casuals. Basic traders. These are people who would benefit from a less abuseable in-game system. And thats why you get so many people that invested into the issue. You get so many people defending the status quo. There isn't an easier mob in the game to farm than an inexperienced casual player.

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ShadyC wrote:

lol. So you brag about making over a thousand Exalts from flipping.

And oppose an auction house.

Hmmmmmmm............... It's almost... as if... you know... that an auction house... would prevent flipping...???

Prices would normalize. There would be no unequal ratios of X for Y and then Y for X.

You know this.

So you oppose an AH and you try to spin it in another way.

Exposed.

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ShadyC wrote:

If you make all that currency by playing the game and selling your finds, then what in the living fuck is the problem with any of that? What's the problem with that through poetrade? What's the problem with that through an auction house?

That's the purest source of income there is. And you're basically providing the community with valuable market saturation.

That's a great thing.

Why on earth does that make you oppose an AH???

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Miská wrote:

lol. You are so clueless it hurts. So let's take myself as an example. I have been a heavy trader for most leagues. Made 1k+ exalt every single league without much effort. Have played this game for 12-15k hours. I can pricecheck pretty much anything in this game blindfolded.

You really think a non automated AH is creating wealth for me? What the fuck do you think a automated one will do? I can just buy everything instantly to resell 100x quicker that I could now. You are actually arguing a point AGAINST an automated AH. Because of the knowledge required to trade in PoE, me and many other heavy traders will instantly become rich on day 1 of every single league without fail or effort. And this time the noobs, casuals and basic traders won't have time to rethink their price on their item, because I will buy it instantly.

And like you keep repeating 'anyone against an AH must be an abuser' I simply say: 99% of the people for an AH are newbies, people with 1 hour a week gameplay and simply bad players who believe an automated AH will make their lifes (your life) better. And it will become so much worse.

Stop being lazy and gain some knowledge. Stop being entitled about trading.

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Destructodave wrote:

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Miská wrote:

lol. You are so clueless it hurts. So let's take myself as an example. I have been a heavy trader for most leagues. Made 1k+ exalt every single league without much effort. Have played this game for 12-15k hours. I can pricecheck pretty much anything in this game blindfolded.

You really think a non automated AH is creating wealth for me? What the fuck do you think a automated one will do? I can just buy everything instantly to resell 100x quicker that I could now. You are actually arguing a point AGAINST an automated AH. Because of the knowledge required to trade in PoE, me and many other heavy traders will instantly become rich on day 1 of every single league without fail or effort. And this time the noobs, casuals and basic traders won't have time to rethink their price on their item, because I will buy it instantly.

And like you keep repeating 'anyone against an AH must be an abuser' I simply say: 99% of the people for an AH are newbies, people with 1 hour a week gameplay and simply bad players who believe an automated AH will make their lifes (your life) better. And it will become so much worse.

Stop being lazy and gain some knowledge. Stop being entitled about trading.

Oh really? Exactly how do you do it? Private Indexer? More tame with just pages and pages of PoE.Trade open whooping items that people are clueless on value? Because I doubt you are manually searching on a single page for all those items to flip.

So what would be gone with an in-game system? I dunno, indexers, whoops, multiple live searches. Hardcore Flipping ends up being the game of Bots, akin to D3. Something you may not want to delve into. Right now you can pretty much equivalence that with PoE.Trade whoops; as many as your computer can run.

Yes, I think PoE.Trade is creating wealth for you. The fact you brag about flipping and making thousands of exalts attest to that.

You are, as you have mentioned, the exact person I talk about when wanting to keep the status quo. If you can just make that much with an in-game AH you wouldn't care that much. Yes, you could resell quicker, but you can't buy quicker. You are limited in the amount of items you can find for flipping, and then also limited in the actions you can do, since a website is not automatically doing it for you with live searching. Hell, you might even be price fixing for all I know, which is another thing that could be eliminated from in-game trading.

You are never going to be come as rich with an in-game system as you can now with PoE.Trade. We both know that, and its exactly why you argue so much against change.

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Miská wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

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Miská wrote:

lol. You are so clueless it hurts. So let's take myself as an example. I have been a heavy trader for most leagues. Made 1k+ exalt every single league without much effort. Have played this game for 12-15k hours. I can pricecheck pretty much anything in this game blindfolded.

You really think a non automated AH is creating wealth for me? What the fuck do you think a automated one will do? I can just buy everything instantly to resell 100x quicker that I could now. You are actually arguing a point AGAINST an automated AH. Because of the knowledge required to trade in PoE, me and many other heavy traders will instantly become rich on day 1 of every single league without fail or effort. And this time the noobs, casuals and basic traders won't have time to rethink their price on their item, because I will buy it instantly.

And like you keep repeating 'anyone against an AH must be an abuser' I simply say: 99% of the people for an AH are newbies, people with 1 hour a week gameplay and simply bad players who believe an automated AH will make their lifes (your life) better. And it will become so much worse.

Stop being lazy and gain some knowledge. Stop being entitled about trading.

Oh really? Exactly how do you do it? Private Indexer? More tame with just pages and pages of PoE.Trade open whooping items that people are clueless on value? Because I doubt you are manually searching on a single page for all those items to flip.

So what would be gone with an in-game system? I dunno, indexers, whoops, multiple live searches. Hardcore Flipping ends up being the game of Bots, akin to D3. Something you may not want to delve into. Right now you can pretty much equivalence that with PoE.Trade whoops; as many as your computer can run.

Yes, I think PoE.Trade is creating wealth for you. The fact you brag about flipping and making thousands of exalts attest to that.

You are, as you have mentioned, the exact person I talk about when wanting to keep the status quo. If you can just make that much with an in-game AH you wouldn't care that much. Yes, you could resell quicker, but you can't buy quicker. You are limited in the amount of items you can find for flipping, and then also limited in the actions you can do, since a website is not automatically doing it for you with live searching. Hell, you might even be price fixing for all I know, which is another thing that could be eliminated from in-game trading.

You are never going to be come as rich with an in-game system as you can now with PoE.Trade. We both know that, and its exactly why you argue so much against change.

You should probably read the replies before you reply and make a fool outta yourself. I already explained in detail what I do to generate wealth a few posts up.

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Destructodave wrote:

So while you farm maps, which is what people do anyways, you aren't whooping pages and pages of items to flip? Give me a break. There also lies the problem with the current system. Not only can you just farm maps and power game, you can live search with 15-20 PoE.Trades and not cut into your gaming time. And you are telling me you, as a heavy trader, don't do it. Give me a break guy. If you didn't you would not be affected whatsoever with a built-in system. It wouldn't bother you much at all if all your wealth came from farming 100s of maps. It would, however, bother you if you supplemented it with nearly automated flipping from your PoE.Trades auto-searching the entire time you play the game.

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Phrazz wrote:

I've never said the game isn't balanced around trading. Of course it is balanced around the accessibility of gear through trade, hence the pretty low drop rates. That was pretty much my point, if you managed to read my whole post. If said accessibility - you know, the one the game is balanced around now - goes WAY UP, I think they'll have to adjust the drop rates thereafter