beating the dead horse poe.trade AH

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samuelsinn wrote:

Rant start

im not going to use a sketchy player made their party site to do trading. plane and simple.

i rather have an in game system that allows me to fast buy something i need or want instead of wasting my time trying to contact ANYONE to buy an item that has been over priced because some dill hole asshole wants to scam a newbie that hasn't got the foggiest idea on how to buy or sell or trade using the already broken third party site that was created by a lazy player that wants to control the prices of items in-order to have a monopoly on all the products in the game.

in short. add in a damn npc that you can give your items that you want to sell to. allow the player to set there price using the current currencys as we call them. giving a max amount of any currency that can be used as the sale price. and make it so that you can buy extra slots to sell items as a micro transaction much like the stash tabs. allow the other party that might want said item to come up and buy the item your selling without interacting with anyone but the NPC and have the NPC hold onto the currency till you come and collect it. and for people that are online at the time of a sale have a small message pop up in whisper chat saying something along the lines of " your XXXXXX item has been sold go collect your XXXXX currency " add also a 7 day listing option that will return the item to you and remove it from the listing if it has not sold in 7 days. and you have a flawless system that has worked one ALL forms of MMORPGs around the world

plane clean simple. and let anyone that doesn't buy into the slots at-least have 2 so that anyone and everyone can at-least trade to some extent. if you want to list more items for sale at one time. you ether buy the tabs or you are forced to sell whatever you are selling for cheaper then the going prices in-order to clear out your 2 AH slots so you can list more. it will force the hardcore chest beating keyboard warrior salesmen to buy slots. and it will allow the " i dont give a shit. i just want to sell this " players. to just sell the items thy dont want.

look trade systems like this are in damn near EVERY MMO our there minus shooter mmos. and thy have not failed. WoW has an AH, Grand Fantasia, Eden Eternal,Twin Saga ,Ragnarok online 2, just to name a few. there are atleast 10 more games i could go searching for the names of and list here but one thing is common in all of them.

a single NPC is the AH, you go to it. make a listing. another player comes by. sees said listing. buys it. and you get your cash.

you dont have to go to a third party site. you dont have to "interact " with other players. HELL you dont even need to be online to sell the item. in short. it means the more casual players could log in sell an item. play there time. log out and still come back 2 days latter and pick up the currency for the item if it sold.or allows them to log in buy an item thay need for an end game build without sifting though all the DnDs afks offlines and other assholes scamers and filth that litter the third party site. giving causal players much more room and ability to play as thy want to play. NOT as others want them to play. and allowing ALL players to avoid the one thing everyone has failed to mention on this thread.

the toxicity that comes from interaction with a lot of the people that are on the third party site.

rant end

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Playing SSF doesn't mean I can't post about trade. I've been there. I was there before most of you were born.

This game would be ruined by the very thing you people seem to want.

The reason there is value to these items you find or purchase is that there is difficulty in finding them. Make trade easy, and it will be easy for everyone to find what ever they want. When that happens, the value in these items will be gone and no one will give you squat for your items. You're short sighted. Fortunately, GGG sees beyond what you want. They know that if trade was easy, supply would go up by a factor on the order of x100. Players who didn't trade would be dumping their items on your market. Prices would have to drop to nothing to get a trade. Game over.

The reason you can trade is because there's 100 other players with your same item that don't want to bother with it. Making it easy for them would change your game and you would be back here complaining that the game was ruined.

You'd probably find some way to blame me for it.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Kinda sad that people who don't understand basic economics want to change this game to suit themselves.

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andreicde wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Kinda sad that people who don't understand basic economics want to change this game to suit themselves.

Actually what is sad is trying to prove your point with an amusing attempt on ridiculing when you have no valid points. You mentioned that trade was hard, I mentioned why it isn't and your argument is basically ''you don't understand basic economics''. Did you planned to teach me the supply and demand basic rule, because as of right now, that is already applied with poe trade.

What is the advantage of poe trade compared to an AH though?

-Much easier to manipulate prices if you use DND to fix prices

-Easier to scam new folks by creating the illusion on what the price of something might be.


Unless you would also like to tell me how those two things above are advantages , please provide some substantial proof instead of meaningless personal attacks.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Kinda... I'm saying the concept of "valuable item" wont exist anymore. Someone will have put up a "good enough" item for a few alts.... decreasing overall demand for your "valuable item". Add to that, that twice as many people are trying to sell your "valuable item" to less people and you quickly see that prices will simply drop to a hair above the listing cost.

The economy would start to look more like open battle.net where there was just so many items available that none had any real value. People would give you items for the asking, simply because they had them and knew they could get one back as easily as you got it from them.

GGG knows how many drillnecks are out there and how many players there are. Give us a way to move them around and everyone could have two. They're only selling now because people don't want to bother listing them. That will eventually apply to every item.