beating the dead horse poe.trade AH

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the only people on here whining about the whole AH idea are the people that do waist there time being DnDs afks and full toxic assholes over on trade.poe, the ones trying to get the action house are the people that see that the current system is broken and needs to be fixed by the company not some third party utility site that a player came up with.

if your worried about your premium that your getting now from using the third party site. and loseing out on it because the market gets flooded. then its as simple as adjusting RNG on drops. make them rare hard to find item, the current RNG can be calculated. and tracked. add in an RNG that is trult RNG and poof problum there solved.

the more people try and defend the current useless broken system the more i see that this game needs an AH of some kind. there are thousands of players that do not bother using a third party site not only because its a waist of damn time and the only people that are currently using it have a monopoly on the currency and prices. but also because there are plenty of scammers on the site already scamming everyone.

an AH in the game would not only prevent scamming . it would break the monopoly. waaahhhhhh to the bitches that cry about losing out on some of there damn currency there getting now using the current system. its because of you guys that people WANT an AH to begin with.

by breaking the monopoly and opening the games economy up to the point that players can trade freely for set prices instead of having to contact some AFK DND SCAMMER for an item that thay suddenly changed there price on. it means that the economy in the game will be spread more evenly amung all the players and not be siting in the stash tabs of only the " elite " sellers.

not to mention with each league that comes down the pipe into the game the economy would be reset every time a new one comes out. meaning the only fixed economy in the game would be the main league.
at the end of a new league the currancy and items from it would be transfured over into the main league giveing the econamy a large boost as more rare items from it make its way into the main league from the new ones. thus giveing the crybabys that dont want an AH a jump on rare items that might come out with an update or posable added content.

take into consideration also that the thousands that DONT use the current system probably and highly likely DONT HAVE ANY OF THE LOOT THAT FOR SALE IN IT. i vendor more unices then i keep. as well as rare good 6 socket items. i have no use for them so i throw them away. alot of people do that. even more so the people that dont have tuns of stash tabs. and dont want to carry around tuns of loot that dont help them in any way shape or form.

the only people that would currently floor any AH that comes up are the people that are currently siting on duplicitous of items or even triplets. meaning the people from the currant system would be the ones seating the price for the beginning of the AH till the items that have been horded away have been spread among the player base and removed from the people with the monopoly on them

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"Defend the system?" The system sucks. But replacing it with an AH would be worse... not better.

Trading in this game is intrinsically flawed. Items don't deteriorate. Once you buy an item, you decrease the demand for that item and if anything are working towards increasing the supply of it. Doomed.

They caved on item degen and the only way they've found to combat it is power-creep and league resets.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Kinda... I'm saying the concept of "valuable item" wont exist anymore. Someone will have put up a "good enough" item for a few alts.... decreasing overall demand for your "valuable item". Add to that, that twice as many people are trying to sell your "valuable item" to less people and you quickly see that prices will simply drop to a hair above the listing cost.

The economy would start to look more like open battle.net where there was just so many items available that none had any real value. People would give you items for the asking, simply because they had them and knew they could get one back as easily as you got it from them.

GGG knows how many drillnecks are out there and how many players there are. Give us a way to move them around and everyone could have two. They're only selling now because people don't want to bother listing them. That will eventually apply to every item.

As much as I would like a consignment merchant I can see your point. I have a friend that plays PoE as much as I do (Even more) and he WILL NOT trade on his own. If I don't sell/purchase something for him he will NOT do it. I tend to think that he is in the minority of players when it comes to this- but maybe not /shrug. But, if there were something that took the /whisper join party to trade, he would be trading for sure.

So, yea in his case there would be more items hitting the market if he traded. Makes me wonder how many players refuse to trade based on poe.trade and /whisper.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Kinda... I'm saying the concept of "valuable item" wont exist anymore. Someone will have put up a "good enough" item for a few alts.... decreasing overall demand for your "valuable item". Add to that, that twice as many people are trying to sell your "valuable item" to less people and you quickly see that prices will simply drop to a hair above the listing cost.

The economy would start to look more like open battle.net where there was just so many items available that none had any real value. People would give you items for the asking, simply because they had them and knew they could get one back as easily as you got it from them.

GGG knows how many drillnecks are out there and how many players there are. Give us a way to move them around and everyone could have two. They're only selling now because people don't want to bother listing them. That will eventually apply to every item.

There will always be valueable items, due to rarity. I also guarantee the amount of people not selling valueable items due to hassle would be less than 1%, there is no hassle in selling. The hassle comes to buying an dealing with afks and price scammers.

Oh how i do love how you feel you need to keep injecting your opinions into a part of this game that you do not have any part of though. You do not trade, hence you do not deal with the BS and problems with trade.

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nealn wrote:

Spoiler

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"why the fuck are you PMing me if you're not gonna buy it you idiot"

again, simple case of "use your brain." don't pm a bajillion ppl all at once. pm one guy then wait a bit. no response? pm next guy then wait a bit. rinse and repeat. if u'r doing stupid things, ppl are gonna treat u like u r stupid. don't get offended when they do--instead learn from your mistakes.

Have to agree with this.I can tell someone has just chain contacted a lot of players for an item because I have responded within 5-10 seconds and no answer from the buyer.Some people have badgered me after just 1 second with a 'hello?' after there initial trade enquiry so I know there are ultra impatient people out there.Anyway I haven't traded since SSF became officially supported and don't really miss it.

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MasterAxe wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Kinda... I'm saying the concept of "valuable item" wont exist anymore. Someone will have put up a "good enough" item for a few alts.... decreasing overall demand for your "valuable item". Add to that, that twice as many people are trying to sell your "valuable item" to less people and you quickly see that prices will simply drop to a hair above the listing cost.

The economy would start to look more like open battle.net where there was just so many items available that none had any real value. People would give you items for the asking, simply because they had them and knew they could get one back as easily as you got it from them.

GGG knows how many drillnecks are out there and how many players there are. Give us a way to move them around and everyone could have two. They're only selling now because people don't want to bother listing them. That will eventually apply to every item.

There will always be valueable items, due to rarity. I also guarantee the amount of people not selling valueable items due to hassle would be less than 1%, there is no hassle in selling. The hassle comes to buying an dealing with afks and price scammers.

Oh how i do love how you feel you need to keep injecting your opinions into a part of this game that you do not have any part of though. You do not trade, hence you do not deal with the BS and problems with trade.

Right on the money.
Also, what about the other DOZENS of games that have automated trading systems and no "item degen" and still have valuable items? I really, really, really don't buy this argument AT ALL.
Another flaw in your argument is that THERE IS item degen: vaal orbs, people quitting, leagues, people not caring to list their items, etc.

Yeah.. No! Auction house in an ARPG is a horrible idea, partly why it always gets removed from them at some point, too exploitable on almost all games especially when people start making AH snipe bots that auto buy items then list them higher. Will turn into Black Desert Online when you try to buy an item that just went up and it's already sold before you humanly even can click the buy button. Also unlike an momorpg there wouldn't be as much stock in items on PoE as other games which would make bots an even more terrible disaster.

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firenovix wrote:

Yeah.. No! Auction house in an ARPG is a horrible idea, partly why it always gets removed from them at some point, too exploitable on almost all games especially when people start making AH snipe bots that auto buy items then list them higher. Will turn into Black Desert Online when you try to buy an item that just went up and it's already sold before you humanly even can click the buy button.

You are right, but sadly these simple people don't even realize that. They think they suddenly can start selling all of their stuff without an issue. They can go to bed and wake up and everything will have magically sold. The current issues on PoE.trade with the handful of pricefixers will be peanuts with what would happen with a fully automated AH. And then the same simple minds will come back here and demand other stuff. It's hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.

Funny, D3 was exactly the same with the quick snipe of items and I never had any problems selling/buying stuff. But what do I know, I obviously have no experience with AH unlike the "experts" here, lmao

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Funny, D3 was exactly the same with the quick snipe of items and I never had any problems selling/buying stuff. But what do I know, I obviously have no experience with AH unlike the "experts" here, lmao

Calls other people 'expert' while pretending to be said 'expert' himself. Goodjob.