Steam!

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truekaiser wrote:

caps, you don't seem to understand the difference between claiming ownership of the art and code 'copyright'. which is what the p.o.e.'s eula states. and saying we 'own' that part of your hard drive pertaining X game you paid for and doing what we want with it. also you did not read the entire t.o.s. that part does indeed pertain to the software.

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Well gosh you sure explained the legal comprehension reading comprehensions. I thought that POE's TOS explicitly saying they retain all rights and only license their software was the same as Steam's EULA saying they retain all rights and only license their software. Then you explained how very different they are!

No, just kidding.

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pataince

Yeah, I'm quoting your typo for a cheap shot. Feels good.

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or comprehension to read it.

Yeah, let's do the reading comprehension thing.

You ready?

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Terms of Use: Welcome to Grinding Gear Games Limited's (“Grinding Gear Games”) 'Path of Exile' videogame (“POE”). These terms of use and privacy policy (“Terms of Use”) apply to your use of the POE website (“Website”) at www.pathofexile.com (or such other URL as the Website may subsequently be hosted at), the software, documentation and any associated materials comprising or made available to you in relation to POE ( the “Materials”) as well as any services offered or provided by Grinding Gear Games or its nominated third parties in relation to POE (the “Services”).

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Intellectual Property: Unless otherwise stated in these Terms of Use, Grinding Gear Games is the owner or licensee of all rights including all copyright, trade marks and other intellectual property rights relating to or included within the Website, Materials and Services. For the avoidance of doubt this includes without limitation all intellectual property rights in respect of all graphics, logos, text, images and software relating to or included within any of the Website, Materials and Services.

All rights reserved!

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Licence: Provided that you are 13 years or older, and also if you are younger than 18 years old you have legal parental or guardian consent to access and use the Website, Materials and Services, Grinding Gear Games grants you a limited licence (“Licence”) for the purpose of accessing, as applicable downloading, and making use of the Website, Materials and Services (or any parts of such as Grinding Gear Games may make available to you from time to time) for your own personal and non-commercial use in accordance with these Terms of Use.

LICENSED. Not sold, licensed.

steam:

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D. Ownership.

All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Software and any and all copies thereof are owned by Valve and/or its licensors. All rights reserved, except as expressly stated herein. The Software is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright treaties and conventions and other laws. The Software contains certain licensed materials and Valve's licensors may protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.

The retain all rights, ok.

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Each Subscription allows you access to certain services, software and other content under the terms of each such Subscription and this Agreement. Additional terms provided with each such Subscription ("Subscription Terms") may apply to the use of a given Subscription, and are incorporated into this Agreement.

defining subscriptions

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Steam and your Subscription(s) require the automatic download and installation of software and other content and updates onto your computer ("Software").

defining software. ok so under this they're also licensing other software publishers allow them to

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You may not use the Software for any purpose other than the permitted access to Steam and your Subscriptions. You understand that for reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Steam may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions or otherwise enhance the Software and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Software may change over time.

can't use their software to take over the world, for commercial enterprises, etc.

Also, steam has a patcher and will update software.

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Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement and the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software.

They only license their software and whatever they're providing you. Other licenses may apply to software distributed through them.

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roughly translated the first two paragraphs state they take complete ownership of the data on your hard drive

That's a very rough translation.

For one thing, they don't have complete ownership of their licensors' property. They've just been allowed to give out licenses.

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pertaining to the games and are only giving you a license to access them. this is called software as a service.

This is called most EULAs.

So the big differences are:
1. Steam also licenses other content through subscriptions.

Yeah, I probably should have mentioned that.

But that's it.

What do you think the POE patcher does when it launches?

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You understand that for reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, POE may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions or otherwise enhance the Software and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Software may change over time.

tldr

Answering the title:
Steam would be a good way to make more people play the game, even the trade system like teamfortress would be great. The question is how far would GGG go losing a small share of profit - most mmos dont go far.

*casts Raise Thread*

I think Steam could be good for PoE. Of course they would take their cut, but I think after all is said and done, it would make this game even bigger.

Also, I want moar steam achievements. :D

This is a great idea. If this game is moved to steam, it will be available to the wider public.

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yhateful wrote:

*casts Raise Thread*

I think Steam could be good for PoE. Of course they would take their cut, but I think after all is said and done, it would make this game even bigger.

Also, I want moar steam achievements. :D

Was this needed? I mean, you didn't exactly need to post this. No offense.

For all the FUD-mongerers.. Runic Games stated that releasing Torchlight on Steam was one of the best decisions they made. The costs involved were minimal (several thousand dollars) and the return was astounding.

Steam cannot and does not revoke the data on your computer. They can however revoke Steam Controlled rights (that are running through Steam servers) if you are caught cheating and detected via Steam Guard. Seeing as PoE doesn't use Steam for online gaming, nor Steam Cloud saves, this point is moot.

They can disable your account if your caught using a stolen credit card, and quite frankly, I support that right.

I rly dont wanna see it on Steam .. Steam aint cool at all nowdays .. and they take redicolus prices for the games also! .. i like it as it is now .. and btw!! .. just got myselft a KEY :DD TIME TO PLAY!

Steam haters are irrational, just as all bandwagon haters prove to be.
I've linked my PoE through Steam, it works fine for the overlay etc.
Fact is, getting PoE on Steam would be great for GGG and the game, which in turn is good for the players.