I want to love POE... please let me be a filthy casual.

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KAJed wrote:

I actually would love to plan my builds. This isn't really about putting points in willy nilly. It's about not being penalized when I make the WRONG choice.

Maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm not, but there is no amount of arguing that will make me think this change would not be a positive. There are a few things up in the air as I've mentioned that could definitely have an impact though. I'm not implying there is NO risk to this type of additon.

As to cost though, in terms of development time and server time / maintenance... I would wager it is not as hefty as is assumed. I'm sure it's not ZERO either. I would love to know what type of rig they have set up for this. Devops is something of an interest of mine these days.

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Xtorma wrote:

I am interested to hear how you would accomplish this with minimal expenditure. Assuming of course that your definition of minimal is the same as GGG's. As I stated before, what you are asking for here is essentially a quality of life change ( you don't want to have to plan your builds) to a game you have admitted to loving every other aspect of. wouldn't it be easier to everyone concerned if you just played the game the way it was designed and planed out your builds ahead of time like everyone else does?

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KAJed wrote:

What? you're literally inventing things I've said now. When have I said I hate character creation? Or Human interaction? My comments about trading were pro-human. As in removing that aspect would be bad.

You don't make any sense man. You're trying to turn this in to something it isn't to try to prove a point... what the hell man? Disliking one aspect of this one game doesn't make me hate the ARPG genre. Nor does it mean I hate POE. I love POE, this one thing bothers me and creates a barrier for me continuing to play casually.

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

Well if you didn't hate most of the things that make the ARPG genre what it is then you wouldn't have made this thread in the first place...mind blown!

Also your comments are littered with references to how you hate every aspect of character creation and design, trade, human interaction, since there is little to no mechanical skill involved in playing the game those literally ARE the game.

Read the shit you write man, you are inconsistent across your whole thread and your logic is full of holes. When people present the very real reasons why successful games don't do what you are asking for here you just hand wave it away. You admit that nothing we say is going to change your opinion, you are just a troll and you opinions are worth nothing. Have fun getting roasted here.

G'day scrub.

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Xtorma wrote:

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KAJed wrote:

I actually would love to plan my builds. This isn't really about putting points in willy nilly. It's about not being penalized when I make the WRONG choice.

Maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm not, but there is no amount of arguing that will make me think this change would not be a positive. There are a few things up in the air as I've mentioned that could definitely have an impact though. I'm not implying there is NO risk to this type of additon.

As to cost though, in terms of development time and server time / maintenance... I would wager it is not as hefty as is assumed. I'm sure it's not ZERO either. I would love to know what type of rig they have set up for this. Devops is something of an interest of mine these days.

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Xtorma wrote:

I am interested to hear how you would accomplish this with minimal expenditure. Assuming of course that your definition of minimal is the same as GGG's. As I stated before, what you are asking for here is essentially a quality of life change ( you don't want to have to plan your builds) to a game you have admitted to loving every other aspect of. wouldn't it be easier to everyone concerned if you just played the game the way it was designed and planed out your builds ahead of time like everyone else does?

you have 18 free chances to fix mistakes. How many are you making per build?

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Ceri wrote:

I'm genuinely curious: how did you get to level 58 without even completing act 3 normal? Level 58 is a good spot to enter Merciless, not slog around in Normal. Honestly it sounds like respecs is not your primary problem, but rather a lack of game knowledge. Which is perfectly fine, I'm merely suggesting you focus your energy on that, not on raising issues that really aren't. I remember there was some heated debates about respecs in closed beta, but that's like five years ago, and we've got plenty of free respec points from quests since then, too.

Om topic: no, and it's not going to happen. And I'm not saying that because I'm elitist (I'm a filthy casual scrub too) but because I am certain it would do far more harm than good, and GGG will most certainly agree.

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KAJed wrote:

I'm not sure where you're getting my progress from but I am in Act II merciless I believe. I don't recall which act is which, it's been a while, and I didn't jump back in and play after installing it. I want to say act II though. Most definitely not still in Normal though... perhaps my account is confused because I haven't played in so long?

I'm not convinced that it will do more harm than good, but given the few bits of coherent discussion amidst the insanity and someone at work I'm certainly aware of a couple issues that may be bigger hurdles in the long run. Regardless, as I've mentioned, GGG feels the same as you guys do unfortunately. They have since open beta which is when I started. I think a choice like this earlier on would have helped more than now though.

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Ceri wrote:

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KAJed wrote:

I'm not sure where you're getting my progress from but I am in Act II merciless I believe. I don't recall which act is which, it's been a while, and I didn't jump back in and play after installing it. I want to say act II though. Most definitely not still in Normal though... perhaps my account is confused because I haven't played in so long?

I'm not convinced that it will do more harm than good, but given the few bits of coherent discussion amidst the insanity and someone at work I'm certainly aware of a couple issues that may be bigger hurdles in the long run. Regardless, as I've mentioned, GGG feels the same as you guys do unfortunately. They have since open beta which is when I started. I think a choice like this earlier on would have helped more than now though.

You're probably right - the web site is probably confused. :) I just took a quick look at your achievements and you didn't have the one for beating Dominus on Normal. Not that it matters, it just confused me a bit.

Yes, if a change of this magnitude would happen, it would have happened prior to Open Beta launching. Even if it seems like a "small thing", it really shakes the foundation of the economy as others have mentioned. I couldn't care less about the economy, but I definitely can see the problem. You probably remember in Diablo 3 where very quickly any gear that wasn't item level 63 was worthless. People rushed to 60 and didn't bother with gear until then, thereby bypassing the entire item database pre-ilvl 63. That sucked hard. It didn't help that itemization in general sucked hard too. Oh well, I digress.

Personally, I think free respecs at will would shorten the lifespan of the game - at least for me. You would only need 1 character per class to be fully covered - again, a'la Diablo 3 - and nobody would ever level a new character after that. Contrary to D3, I think PoE is much more a journey, not a rush towards an end. D3 doesn't have an item hunt whatsoever so the only thing

I really enjoy the respec option we do get when major patches launch. I play around a lot with my Standard characters, testing and tweaking builds and trying to perfect them, as well as trying new and crazy things I conjure up. Great fun for me, and it's a most welcome pause inbetween leagues.