Donald Trump and US politics

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morbo wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

They think christians are more discriminated than muslims, and that white people are more discriminated than black people...

Other than a failed attempt to ban immigration form 3rd world terrorist-infested warzones, how exactly are muslims oppressed & discriminated in USA? And even that travel ban is a stretch, considering it had to do with islamic terrorism, not "muslims".

I don't think it was only about actions done by the government. For example, look at this:

https://twitter.com/i/videos/861109570059599873

We can call that discrimination too right? Does that happen more often against muslims or christians? (Not a rhetoric question)

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faerwin wrote:

It's more than an influence. It literally prevents candidate to even present themselves if they aren't christians. Just look at all the propaganda that went towards Obama that decried him as a muslism (as if that automatically made him an awful person).


as for the poll, it honestly looks like the republican part was done in a KKK community while the democratic part in a mosque...

It does? Taking in consideration how divided the US is right now, I don't think that poll is too far from the truth.

Republicans and democrats are practically polar opposites these days.

Oh and the image says 'republicans' and 'democrats', not 'liberal' and 'conservatives', so maybe there is difference? If they asked liberals and conservatives, and not people affiliated to a party, maybe the results wouldn't be the same?

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faerwin wrote:

The travel ban affected everyone from those countries, it didn't even try to distinguish between terrorists or not, it just put everyone in the same (bad) basket.

You cannot distinguish terrorists, you can only prevent more religious fundamentalists coming into your country. That travel ban was of course incomplete, because it should have banned a lot more places. And more importantly: it should have banned finances coming from islamist theocracies and organizations like the egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which are the logistical & political backbone of exporting islamist ideology across the world.

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faerwin wrote:

And you think there's no discrimination towards anyone that has brown skin? Just try to pass the US border with an arab sounding name...

Since islamic terrorism is behind the vast majority of worldwide terror attacks, paying special attention toward muslims coming into your country, is not discrimination, but proper police / intelligence work.

Treating everyone equally, regardless of their ideological or cultural background, is idiocy. I wish the world was this utopian nice place, where everyone is nice and friendly, but it is not.

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soneka101 wrote:

I don't think it was only about actions done by the government. For example, look at this:

https://twitter.com/i/videos/861109570059599873

We can call that discrimination too right? Does that happen more often against muslims or christians? (Not a rhetoric question)

Sigh, really? Someone in some market line said something.. Obama.. muslims..

Do I have to point out all the foul language and hatred toward Christians coming from the ideological left? Hating, bashing, disrespecting Christians is normalized - and you know why? Because Christians wont shot you up with AK47 if you dip Jesus into piss.

Another fun fact. There's more mass killing caused by white people in the US than any other ethnicity. Yet, white people aren't discriminated being interrogated at nearly the same rate as someone that has an arab name or come from the middle east.


Also, I'm not even talking about people coming from those countries. I'm talking about canadians trying to cross the US border for various reasons (sport event, shopping, tourist) in my previous example. How is it not discrimination in such a case?


I wonder if someone coming from the middle east but is a christian would have the same trouble as someone that's a muslism. Something tells me yes...

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morbo wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

I don't think it was only about actions done by the government. For example, look at this:

https://twitter.com/i/videos/861109570059599873

We can call that discrimination too right? Does that happen more often against muslims or christians? (Not a rhetoric question)

Sigh, really? Someone in some market line said something.. Obama.. muslims..

Do I have to point out all the foul language and hatred toward Christians coming from the ideological left? Hating, bashing, disrespecting Christians is normalized - and you know why? Because Christians wont shot you up with AK47 if you dip Jesus into piss.

That's funny because I never heard anyone mocking, let alone, insulting someone because he's a christian. I see a lot of mocking because someone is religious, but not because he's explicitly christian. The same isn't true of muslism...

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faerwin wrote:

Another fun fact. There's more mass killing caused by white people in the US than any other ethnicity. Yet, white people aren't discriminated being interrogated at nearly the same rate as someone that has an arab name or come from the middle east.

You ignore one important thing: those shooting rampages are mostly individual "incidents", that are not driven by the same ideology, while islamic terrorism is driven by the same ideology, making it an ideological problem.

Now, if there were constant Christian attacks killing in the name of Jesus, you'd need to pay special attention to, say, churches which might be preaching extremism. So you'd put more intelligence & police work on that. But you don't see this. Contrary, you have many mosques (especially in the ultra-tolerant EU) where islamists preach hatred and extremism. And because of that you have to pay special attention to those mosques and people working inside. It's not discrimination, it's reality.

The issue you liberals have is that you base your assumptions on a faulty premise: that all cultures are equal, that all religions are the same, that all people are the same, etc... No, they are not.

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morbo wrote:

Since islamic terrorism is behind the vast majority of worldwide terror attacks, paying special attention toward muslims coming into your country, is not discrimination, but proper police / intelligence work.

Treating everyone equally, regardless of their ideological or cultural background, is idiocy. I wish the world was this utopian nice place, where everyone is nice and friendly, but it is not.

I think you can argue that it's justified, but I don't think it's accurate to say it's not discrimination.

Even if everyone accepts that it's needed, the result it will be the same, your name, your skin color, your religion and etc, will determine how you will be treated even if you did nothing, and by definition that it's discrimination.

It's one thing to say it's needed, it's another thing to say it isn't what it is.

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morbo wrote:

Sigh, really? Someone in some market line said something.. Obama.. muslims..

Do I have to point out all the foul language and hatred toward Christians coming from the ideological left? Hating, bashing, disrespecting Christians is normalized - and you know why? Because Christians wont shot you up with AK47 if you dip Jesus into piss.

You sound mad bro.

It was an honest question. I don't know if christians receive this kind of treatment too, if they do it's not reported.

But honestly I doubt someone would stop a christian out of nowhere to say: "Hey, you look like christian, maybe you should get the f*ck out of here!"

I do hear christians complaining about cups on Starbucks though...
Oh, they also complain when people say "happy holidays" instead of merry christmas.

Maybe instead of complaining about that they could bright light to those aggressions they supposedly suffer.

What about the gun loving ideology? Sounds like one to me...

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soneka101 wrote:

But honestly I doubt someone would stop a christian out of nowhere to say: "Hey, you look like christian, maybe you should get the f*ck out of here!"

Christians have progressed over medieval things like the hijab or burka, so it's hard to spot them. But maybe try to wear a kippah or a Jesus T-shirt, in a college filled with marxist leftists?

If that doesn't work, try saying abortion is a sin to a group of lesbian feminists, and see if you'll get abused for your beliefs.

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morbo wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

But honestly I doubt someone would stop a christian out of nowhere to say: "Hey, you look like christian, maybe you should get the f*ck out of here!"

Christians have progressed over medieval things like the hijab or burka, so it's hard to spot them. But maybe try to wear a kippah or a Jesus T-shirt, in a college filled with marxist leftists?

If that doesn't work, try saying abortion is a sin to a group of lesbian feminists, and see if you'll get abused for your beliefs.

Maybe this might happen:

(Warning: Slightly NSFW)



About the lesbians feminists or "feminazis" as they are called on the internet, are they as abundant as hardcore christians in real life? They get a lot of attention on the internet, but I honestly can't grasp how much of them are out there.