Donald Trump and US politics
" http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-20170406-story.html Well, she said she won't run, but time will tell. I think she had her chance as well as Bernie, both are too old for 2020. And I too think that democrats are responsible for their lost, but I don't think it was the only factor, too many things happened in 2016(there will certainly be a TV show about it in the future, everything won't fit in just one movie). But even if democrats are responsible for losing, whatever Trump does from now on it's on him, the GOP, and the people that voted for him, be it for good or not. Obama is blamed for all the bad stuff in his presidency even thought the congress was determined to obstruct everything he did, so now that GOP controls everything there is no reason to blame democrats(like Trump did when the repeal and replace of ACA didn't go well). ---- Now if Trump will stay in office for 8 years or not, I have reasons to be skeptical. His approval rate for starters. The budget cuts he is making is another factor since it will be affecting some of his base, besides that, my guess is that Hillary won't run in 2020, so the only thing IMO that could give Trump the victory would be if Bernie hijacked the democratic party. I'm not sure if people do realize this, but I think that Bernie and Trump has some similarities, both of them are candidates that challenge their party, and both have large support from voters. If Trump had lost the GOP would probably need to kiss his ass, or else, with the influence that he got from this election he could probably bring them to their knees in the next election even if he didn't run. I think the same goes for Bernie and the DNC, had Bernie run as independent he would have no chance at all, but after running as democrat, and after losing to Hillary in a way that many consider unfair, I would bet that his leverage over the democratic party is more than what the party can handle. Things can change in the next years, but my guess is that the best way for Trump to win the next election it would be if Bernie turned against the democratic party, without that I think it would be very hard. |
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" I also think that the odds of this happening are high, but I like to keep myself open to the possibilities ;) I think that if a republican will challenge Trump will depend if the GOP keeps the congress in 2018, I think they will keep, but if they don't, they will probably need to re-brand themselves in 2020. " It's not like I question your judgement, or Trump's authenticity, but I think that Trump has shown too little for people to say they know him. I mean, he is a politician now, the President, we can't judge his ability based on his time as businessman, those are different jobs after all(even if he tries to run the country as a business, he will still be running it as a president), and what we know of him about his experience as politician is very limited, although so far I disagree with some(most?) of his actions, I for one can't say that I know the way he deals with problems(seriously, I didn't figured out a pattern yet, I don't think many did) " I've only seen people saying that on places of the internet that aren't really serious, I didn't mean that people who say that idolize him, but I'm would bet they have faith in him. Not a bad thing, but most of the times is based in emotion. They like him and because of that end up believing in him. Maybe people called Obama "the Black Messiah" because they realized something similar was going on. " I will be watching that later today, if it makes an impression on me I may come to discuss here later. |
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" I watched the video, and I think that this man Milton Friedman was right at his time, but his way of thinking doesn't apply to our time or to the future. I don't know if I will able to explain why to I think like that, but I will at least try to write everything that comes to my mind here. First I want to talk about what he said about Greed, he said something in the lines that "greed is good, greed is what it drives the society", I think differently, I think greed and ambition are different things, IMO greed is just ambition without breaks, it's hurtful to the society. Greedy is like wanting to have success to the maximum degree without having morals or caring for the consequences, robbery for example can be motivated by greed, it might be nice in the short term, but might backfire for obvious reasons. Now what I would call ambition would be something like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJS7Igvk6ZM It's like the desire to succeed while trying to not be destructive. For example I strongly admire the US by his patriotism, I think it's one of the reasons that made the US is strong. Imagine a businessman that is faced with the option to make a whole lot of money while screwing his country, or the option to make less money but while helping his country-folk, if he is a patriot he will choose the later, Milton Friedman would say that he should choose the former right? Because this is how capitalism works, the need to make money will always drive people to find solutions right? I think that was right in the past, but I see the direction that things are going and I think that if he head to that direction we will crumble on our own weight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o224KLwBFrQ In that video Louis CK talk about how people that buy from Walmart end up killing small business. At some point he says something like: "Your neighbor end up without job because you want to spend 30 cents less on some shit". And it's mostly true, this is capitalism isn't? Maximum profit and all that. People might argue that walmart is still good because is also generating jobs, but we know it's less jobs, and it will decrease even more as technology advances. If amazon makes that thing about "stores without human interaction" work, if tesla and those trucks that drive themselves start to work, how long until unemployment starts to rise again? People who doesn't have jobs won't buy shit also. So the way things are going I don't think the old capitalism alone is viable. It's like Lighting your clothes on fire to avoid cold, it might help in the short term, but after a while it's not your clothes that feeds the flames. But although I criticize capitalism is not like I know the path to the future either, I just think that we should stop encouraging "greed", and start encouraging "ambition". I think we can think about how to be rich while worrying about our resources, overpopulation, climate change, and human sustainability and shit like that. ------ About free market and government interference, I think that with money comes power, and the government is supposed to be the only thing that can protect normal people from those who have the power, if the government fails at it then IMO it has failed its purpose. Imagine if people had to riot every time a company that has monopoly to a vital product raised the prices by 500%, we have better things to do than that. |
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" of the top 20 papers in the US, only one opposed Trump's airstrikes  The MSM surely is fapping hard to Trump's Tomahawk. ----------------------- When you have to go into a liberal den, to read a sensible article about this whole mess. What has the world come to... Wag The Dog -- How Al Qaeda Played Donald Trump And The American Media When night falls
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" I don't think he was meaning sinister greed, in the context to me it sounds like he means people mutually engaging in exchanges which benefit them Multi-Demi Winner
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" We need a system in which gains are immutably linked with benefit to society so that the greedy actually are channeled into helping instead of taking away. I described such a system before but ill restate it again: (copy/paste)
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Historically the value of things and services is based on the market with factors such as supply, demand, regulation, proprietary patents/ trade secrets, competition, and costs of production. But such things are ephemeral; supply can be controlled, demand can be manipulated through advertisement, regulations come and go, secrets can be shared, and costs are also all affected by these same things. But when you really think about goods and services, the 'true' value is in their utility. How useful, necessary, or entertaining are they. And for how long do they retain their value. We dont have metrics for such utility. And only such a metric would show the 'true' health of a country. Any type of deep analysis on the economy is doomed to fail when sales of cosmetics and pop music are treated the same as food and tools. Money was a great invention in the ancient times. It replaced the need to carry around ones own produced goods for bartering purposes. Capitalism has risen to dominate the world. But it is fundamentally flawed . It places people and organizations in competition with one another rather than promoting mutual optimal gains to society through cooperation. The incentives are such that knowledge (trade secrets/ patents) is hoarded and not shared, that prices are as high as possible to maximize gains, and employees are given the lowest possible wage. All of this is detrimental to the vast majority of the populace. With the industrial age came a massive increase in production (and reduction of costs of production) and its associated increase in standard of living. The information age brought to the world digital goods which could be mass replicated and distributed at virtually 0 cost. It had the potential for the free exchange of information (which is the single greatest contribution to the rate of technological growth). The beginnings of the meta-information age are here now. An age that can render all human labor unnecessary as goods can be both produced and transported at 0 cost. It is the era of artificial intelligence that can bring us to a post scarcity society. Money is an ancient concept and our markets have had thousands... hundreds of thousands of patches through regulation in an attempt to make our financial systems continue to work in the face of technological progress and even more ways of exploiting that system. Exploits such as market manipulation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation), price fixing, price gouging, and many many more have the aim of diverting wealth to their conspirators without any real gain to society. And that's the key concept 'benefiting society'. Money is blind to this most essential aspect. And we need to tightly couple monetary gain with benefiting society so as to provide incentive to the later. If we examine the world with an eye on the benefit to society: -patents and copyrights are counterproductive. When some new idea is invented, its unlimited sharing should result into a massive positive gain for society. But instead patents and copyrights limit and even discourage the sharing of information. The problem is that there is no reward for creating a new idea, only in selling it. Which is indicative of the deeper issue which is money being a limited transferable thing that can only be created by a collusion between the banks and government, rather than being tied directly to the benefit of society. And thus in some way fails when we have a near infinite capacity to produce and distribute some goods. -banks provide services that in the past required manpower but can now be automated and delivered for a cost of pennies per year on their networked smart phone. But modern banking has seen a vast increase in fees to their customers whom have no choice but to accept it. Think of all the resources that are be wasted on traditional banks; tellers, bankers, security, janitors, buildings, land, etc. -branding, name recognition, and advertisement provide nearly zero gains for society... some would even argue that it is detrimental to society. What a massive waste of resources to produce the massive volume of advertisement that we see now in both the mass media and the internet. But even more so, a massive loss in time for those that are subjected to it. I could go on and on, but i think the idea is clear. We dont need or even want the majority of businesses. And governmental regulations regardless of intentions or how well constructed are futile in that the economy is fundamentally flawed. 80% of american workers could be replaced with technology which already exists. And that number is growing daily. Very soon, we will achieve a post scarcity society. And with it will come immense turmoil to every aspect of our lives if we try to continue to hold onto our obsolete systems. The time to design and transition into a new economic system is NOW. BEFORE that time arrives, to minimize the damage and reduce the future shock. = Im still mulling over the details. So far i envision some ideal end point where everything is automated by machines rather than people and thus noone needs to work. Automation of the production of minimum human requirements is a much closer goal line which i feel can be approached( although probably not fully achieved) in a very short period of time with enough support. But of course it will take a considerable amount of work to reach either of those points. I believe the vast majority of human labor which exists presently is completely unneeded and often outright harmful to the whole of society. So much of our society is focused on the acquisition of money, as if it is THE goal rather than a means to achieve other goals. And from a broader perspective, current incentives support such thinking instead of the production of goods and services which are useful. If we change the economic incentives by immutably linking money earned with the benefits you are providing to society, then we will vastly increase production and reduce waste (provided employment remains constant). This is for the transition time between a capitalistic society and the potential utopia. Such a change would not be such a drastic and immediate alteration as eliminating money all together (eliminating money is only realistic when you already have infinite resources). It would be not much different than the way things are now; free enterprise, employees, public works. One very alien change i feel is necessary is the consumability of money. When you spend your money the funds are not transferred, instead they are destroyed in a sense. The funds are locked in place in your account (all digital money) and depreciates with the asset acquired. Such a method helps prevent any exploitation of the system. The actual seller of the item receives little to no gain. Indeed, ideally it is all automated. But the producer (and potentially the transporters and storers) of the product receives compensation( money is actually created!) for the benefit to society they are providing. Ideally such numbers are dynamically generated by computer algorithms. With such algorithms being defined by the government or populace at large(in a true democracy). For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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So, how do the Trump supporters in here see the whole going to war with N Korea and Syria thing? Happy that Trump is president? Good because we all die if he attacks N Korea because Kim Jong wants to use nukes anyways.
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" All of this is Obama's legacy he started over 7 wars in his 8 years in office. So if we have one person to thx for it, it's Obama. |
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" As NK comes closer to a true global nuclear power they are going to have to be dealt with. That's not a problem you can just wish away with happy liberal feel good feelings. The world has put off dealing with NK for too long and the longer we wait the more powerful they'll become. |
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" Spoken like a true Trump supporter. Cant blame Obama for Trumps broken promises and losses. Going to war guarantees he wont get reelected. Americans dont want more wars. |
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