Donald Trump and US politics

Isn't it a strange coincidence that this happened after the business with Bannon? Hmm.
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pneuma wrote:
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soneka101 wrote:
You are missing the point. I will paraphrase you:
"But this dude from twitter did something wrong, so why can't POTUS get his name?"

I was trying to give reasoning for why Trump requested the info other than "he's fucking evil", which is all you seem to be able to comprehend.

Your paraphrasing is extremely wrong, as usual.


As usual? Dude how many effing times did I paraphrase you? If you want act like a bitch go ahead, but please, don't make stuff up.

I didn't assume that you were explaining "why would he request the name" because that was never an issue, the reason why he would request is clear as soon as you read the name of the twitter account he is asking to be unmasked. "Why he shouldn't get the name without a mandate" is the only thing that is worth discussing. If you had read the rest of what I wrote you would have known that I was talking about that, but now that I saw your response I don't know why I even bothered.

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pneuma wrote:
I believe in anonymity, and I think that the right thing happened: a request was made and was denied. Due process was not skipped. "Seems like they are testing the waters" is just your own paranoia showing.

I also believe that anyone that is willing to trust Twitter, of all companies, to defend their anonymity is a moron.


Oh, you believe so much in anonymity that when a company does something to protect it instead of giving a thumbs up you weigh in acting all cynical.

About only being a request:
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Homeland Security further asked that Twitter keep the very existence of the summons secret, and added that “failure to comply with this summons will render you liable to proceedings in a U.S. District Court to enforce compliance with this summons as well as other sanctions.” When Twitter replied stating that such a demand would require a court order, Special Agent Adam Hoffman of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection said, in the companies words, that “no such court order would be obtained.” Strangely, the summons specified a deadline for disclosure of @ALT_USCIS’s user information that occurred the day before the summons was even faxed to Twitter. Regardless of the fact that many of these “alt accounts” appear to be individuals pretending to be members of a given federal agency, removing their anonymity simply because they are criticizing the president would be a devastating blow to Twitter’s ability to facilitate free speech.


That is a weird way to ask for things... I mean, I don't understand a lot about law and stuff, but it's like they implied there would be repercussions if Twitter didn't comply.

Dude, if asking a private company to hand over private data without a mandate is not testing the waters then what it is? If he got the data of this user, how many more wouldn't they just keep asking? If it works once then fuck it, keep doing it, and then maybe try doing the same with facebook. How the hell is this paranoia? You sound more paranoid than I do man.

About morons trusting twitter, well I agree with that but it has been proved now that they at least won't hand your info to every idiot who asks, so maybe it's not that bad.
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morbo wrote:
US attacked Syria with cruise missiles.

Looks like neocon warmongers are back in power in the White house (or they never left?). Trump completely fucked up. This whole situation with a supposed governmental chemical attack (as claimed by al-Qaeda linked sources), stinks too much. There wasn't even an impartial & formal investigation on what happened, yet the Trump admin immediately jumped on the opportunity to attack the Syrian army.

Trump is either a retard for ordering the attack, or he is not the one in control of the government.


I've read that they warned the Russians before the attack, which I don't blame him from doing it since it could be worse if he didn't do it. But the Russians probably warned the Syrians, so everything important was probably taken out of the way before the missiles hit(including the possible chemical weapons).

So maybe Trump was just making a show?

I mean, maybe he wanted to show strength, to give the message that "I will use force if I need to!", but IMO it shows that he is definitely not willing to mess with Russia, and Russia is backing Syria, so who is supposed to be scared by that? Kim jong un?
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soneka101 wrote:
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morbo wrote:
US attacked Syria with cruise missiles.

Looks like neocon warmongers are back in power in the White house (or they never left?). Trump completely fucked up. This whole situation with a supposed governmental chemical attack (as claimed by al-Qaeda linked sources), stinks too much. There wasn't even an impartial & formal investigation on what happened, yet the Trump admin immediately jumped on the opportunity to attack the Syrian army.

Trump is either a retard for ordering the attack, or he is not the one in control of the government.


I've read that they warned the Russians before the attack, which I don't blame him from doing it since it could be worse if he didn't do it. But the Russians probably warned the Syrians, so everything important was probably taken out of the way before the missiles hit(including the possible chemical weapons).

So maybe Trump was just making a show?

I mean, maybe he wanted to show strength, to give the message that "I will use force if I need to!", but IMO it shows that he is definitely not willing to mess with Russia, and Russia is backing Syria, so who is supposed to be scared by that? Kim jong un?


I did give this train of thought a go but came to the conclusion that it's highly unlikely that it was the main motivation.

If you warn someone one hour prior to an attack with missiles (of which ~60 got fired), this doesn't leave enough time for the military to evacuate everything. Sure, everyone should have been able to get away safely and it's probably that a considerable amount of material was evacuated too but there's a lot of stuff that's screwed.

Don't forget this is an air base. An air base cannot function without specific infrastructures such as hangars, tracks, communication tower, barracks, water, repair shops and I'm sure I'm missing some. All those can take months to repair, depending on the severity of the damage inflicted. I really feel that it was a move against Al-Assad and served as a warning that the US is ready to strike if he use chemical weapons (That said, I have high suspicions that Syria didn't use them).

If this scares north korea, this will just be a bonus.
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soneka101 wrote:
I've read that they warned the Russians before the attack, which I don't blame him from doing it since it could be worse if he didn't do it. But the Russians probably warned the Syrians, so everything important was probably taken out of the way before the missiles hit(including the possible chemical weapons).

So maybe Trump was just making a show?

I mean, maybe he wanted to show strength, to give the message that "I will use force if I need to!", but IMO it shows that he is definitely not willing to mess with Russia, and Russia is backing Syria, so who is supposed to be scared by that? Kim jong un?


Yes, it's entirely possible that this was a show-off move, but it is still stupid, reckless and expensive. Kim Jong Un is a madman and N.Korea will not just stop their WMD/ICBM program because Trump is showing-off. Also, its entirely possible that Trump opted for this attack to show that he's not a "Russian puppet", lol.

Or Trump couldn't hold back Neocons warmongers any longer, so he wanted to appease them with this? Throwing ~60 rockets on one airbase, that (apparently) destroyed mostly just infrastructure and non-operational planes. Dunno. It's weird, Trump admin seems to have went 180 degrees in a matter of days, on the issue of Assad / Syria.

The supposed chemical attack, the media propaganda around it and the haste with which Trump admin acted, all smell like a false flag to me. Syria is not supposed to have any chemical weapons left and the Assad regime has absolutely nothing to gain with such an attack, they have only to loose. The only party that gains, are the jihadists / ISIS / FSA / alQaeda.

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First vid from the ground. There are even intact planes & bunkers still there:

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faerwin wrote:
You really need to stop saying "buy Hillary would have done worse" to defend Trump, this is a very VERY stupid way of thinking. If Trump does shit like this, you need to DENOUNCE it.
Well, I don't think it's wrong to point out that Hillary would have done worse. Because she would have.

But I do agree that saying it to defend Trump is bullshit. The election is long over, thus the context of Clinton comparisons has shifted from relevance to idle banter. Additionally, Clinton is a very low bar to clear (as evidenced by the election itself), so unless Trump's behavior is several tiers above Clinton's, Trump is shit too.

Trump's recent actions in Syria show he really isn't in a tier above Clinton; it stinks oh military-industrial complex warmonger bullshit.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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faerwin wrote:
You really need to stop saying "buy Hillary would have done worse" to defend Trump, this is a very VERY stupid way of thinking. If Trump does shit like this, you need to DENOUNCE it.
Well, I don't think it's wrong to point out that Hillary would have done worse. Because she would have.

But I do agree that saying it to defend Trump is bullshit. The election is long over, thus the context of Clinton comparisons has shifted from relevance to idle banter. Additionally, Clinton is a very low bar to clear (as evidenced by the election itself), so unless Trump's behavior is several tiers above Clinton's, Trump is shit too.

Trump's recent actions in Syria show he really isn't in a tier above Clinton; it stinks oh military-industrial complex warmonger bullshit.


What gave you that idea? His increased funding of the military?
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SarahAustin wrote:
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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faerwin wrote:
You really need to stop saying "buy Hillary would have done worse" to defend Trump, this is a very VERY stupid way of thinking. If Trump does shit like this, you need to DENOUNCE it.
Well, I don't think it's wrong to point out that Hillary would have done worse. Because she would have.

But I do agree that saying it to defend Trump is bullshit. The election is long over, thus the context of Clinton comparisons has shifted from relevance to idle banter. Additionally, Clinton is a very low bar to clear (as evidenced by the election itself), so unless Trump's behavior is several tiers above Clinton's, Trump is shit too.

Trump's recent actions in Syria show he really isn't in a tier above Clinton; it stinks oh military-industrial complex warmonger bullshit.
What gave you that idea? His increased funding of the military?
That was more of a warning sign. But one that proved accurate.
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diablofdb wrote:
Meanwhile in Sweden: Don't listen to Donald Trump propaganda, we are the safest place on Earth.
As far as the specific location goes: fair enough. As far as the timing goes: the US attack of Syria may have motivated the Stockholm attack.
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