Donald Trump and US politics

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SarahAustin wrote:

Trump kids also get security paid for by the tax dollar.

Which Obama's kids totally didn't have, right?

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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cipher_nemo wrote:

BTW, Bannon had property in Florida. He registered to vote in Florida, but never did vote. The house is currently vacant (he's not really living there).

That was enough to get the left's panties in a bunch and go ballistic in the news. Yeah, seriously, that's why all of the headlines are spewing "Bannon voter fraud". -_-

Wait, wait.

But Trump claimed 3-5,000,000 people voted illegally for Clinton based on nothing more than them being registered in more than one state.

He came up with the claim that this = voter fraud.

As neither left nor right affiliated I'm seeing a claim 5,000,000 fold of wrongness being upheld, the other not. The sole reasoning behind this being party affiliation.

The investigations and potential prosecutions have barely started. It will take a few years for most to get to the decision stage. Meanwhile, we have some smaller cases already taking place:

Liberal Activist Pleads Guilty To 14 Counts Of Voter Fraud—That Thing The Left Says Doesn't Happen

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14276/liberal-activist-pleads-guilty-14-counts-voter-amanda-prestigiacomo#exit-modal



"Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted today announced that his office has identified an additional 385 non-citizens registered to vote in Ohio, 82 of whom have been identified as having voted in at least one election. This brings the total number of non-citizens on Ohio’s voter rolls Secretary Husted has been able to identify using available resources to 821, with 126 of those individuals having actually cast ballots."
https://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/mediaCenter/2017/2017-02-27.aspx




Anti-Fracking Activist Sentenced To Jail On 13 Counts Of Voter Fraud In Ohio
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/08/anti-fracking-activist-sentenced-to-jail-on-13-counts-of-voter-fraud-in-ohio/

HCSO: Gordon mayor arrested for voter fraud
http://www.wtvy.com/content/news/HCSO-Gordon-mayor-arrested-for-voter-fraud-416181063.html


Dead Voting:
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/08/woman-el-paso-county-voter-fraud-ballot/

Underage Voting Fraud:
https://apnews.com/f917416c60af4480a8c7d148f8e12d9c

Douglas County sheriff under investigation for voter fraud:
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2017/feb/19/douglas-county-sheriff-his-mother-under-investigat/

Grand Prairie woman sentenced to eight years in prison for felony counts of illegal voting:
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article135868408.html

Alorton man pleads guilty to voter fraud
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article138195003.html


The bigger cases will take a lot of resources and time to unravel.

If this picks up speed:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/15/gop-senators-ask-tillerson-to-probe-us-funding-soros-groups-abroad.html
we will either see a large swath of coordinated voter fraud exposed, or a lot of people suddenly getting Roger Stoned:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/03/15/trump-advisor-claims-hit-run-could-be-russian-hacking-scandal-retaliation/

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DalaiLama wrote:

Liberal Activist Pleads Guilty To 14 Counts Of Voter Fraud—That Thing The Left Says Doesn't Happen

Wat.

The argument from the left is not "voter fraud never happens". We know voter fraud happens. The Bush administration found a few dozen cases of it. It's "in-person voter fraud is incredibly rare and voter disenfranchisement is more common".

Also, wait, voter fraud? No, voter registration fraud. There's a difference. This person never cast a single fraudulent vote. There's not even any indication that she intended for anyone to use those fraudulent registrations, and of course, they got caught, because we have systems in place to check this shit. Voter ID laws would not stop her from committing voter registration fraud, because you don't require your ID to register to vote.

This is the same thing that some unscrupulous ACORN employees did, and largely for the same reason; essentially the equivalent of writing down "Mickey Mouse" and "Darth Vader" on a voter registration form then knocking off early. It's an incredibly stupid thing to do, because it's illegal and easy to spot. But this isn't voter fraud.

So in the headline, the article manages to get both its partisan jab and the content of its news article wrong. Weren't you one of the people bitching and moaning back and forth about "FAKE NEWS" this and "FAKE NEWS" that?

Whatever, what else you got?

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Anti-Fracking Activist Sentenced To Jail On 13 Counts Of Voter Fraud In Ohio

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An Ohio-based environmentalist whose group once accused energy companies of election fraud was sentenced this week on charges she falsified voter registrations.

Oh for fuck's sake. It's the same person, same stupid lie, and one of these two sites you cited which is lying about the actual crime being committed has also gotten the number of charges wrong. I'd go figure out which, but I'd rather not put in more effort than the actual authors of these articles put into researching this case, and I'm 99% sure I already have. So... wanna call these guys fake news?

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Your next link actually contains a legitimate case of voter fraud! Woo!

It's absentee ballot fraud! Meaning that demanding a photo ID would not actually have prevented it! Boo!

Christ, why is it so hard for republicans to find a legitimate case of voter fraud that demanding photo ID would actually prevent? It's almost as if voting multiple times in an attempt to swing an election is an absurdly risky strategy, hard to get away with, with an entirely imperceptible reward, making it officially one of the dumbest crimes.

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Budget_player_cadet wrote:

Wat.

The argument from the left is not "voter fraud never happens". We know voter fraud happens. The Bush administration found a few dozen cases of it. It's "in-person voter fraud is incredibly rare and voter disenfranchisement is more common".

So mail in ballot voter fraud isn't rare, and only in person voting fraud is rare? So voter registration fraud, and dumping ballot fraud isn't rare? So, delaying and withholding military absentee ballots isn't rare? So "discovering" enough extra votes to swing an election during a recount isn't rare?

The methods used to cheat in an election are myriad. People don't drive voters around from district to district because they get to "knock off early". Dead people don't vote inadvertently.

If you can't connect the dots between all the efforts put into defrauding the legal voting system, than you can't connect the dots. Prosecutors will. They weren't before, because we we had a president who looked the other way (and possible actively encouraged it - that investigation may come to light in the next few weeks) and we had politicians so afraid of "racism" cries - via fear of "voter disenfranchisement" that no one wanted to touch it with a 10 ft pole.

I did put two sources in for one story - was editing my original post in an effort to add some info about what the links were for and meant to replace one source with another.

When they start matching up deportation records with voting records is when we will really see the large numbers.

I'm not sure which is funnier: BCP and Sarah pretending that illegal voting almost never happens, or Dalai for thinking that it's an overwhelmingly Democratic endeavor. Probably Dalai; the other two's naivete is more pathetic.

Our elections have poor security, especially considering it's customary for the losing candidate​to concede before November 9. The prudent don't wait until breaching important systems becomes a major problem, then increase security; the fix it before it becomes a problem.

Literal traitor and war criminal John McCain is now yelling "muh Russia" at Rand Paul. He has to go.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/15/john-mccain-rand-paul-is-now-working-for-vladimir-putin.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

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SarahAustin wrote:

The idiot in chief probably leaked the useless tax returns himself to deflect from the actual ones that matter.

Empty set is empty. While your eyes are glued to blatant legerdemain, you're utterly distracted from The magician's true trick.

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Actually mildly alarmed at Breitbart's support of Netherlands' Wilders and his PVV. Unlike Trump and Le Pen, Wilders is a true fascist — he'd ban Islam and the Koran from his country if he could, as explicitly stated in his party's policy platform. I don't think it's a good look for Breitbart to actually become a platform for the hard alt-right. Wilders is an example of the pendulum swinging clear past the middle and towards extremism on the other side.