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" Budget_player_cadet wrote: I'm only making like 900€ a month Brutto, and even then I lose about a fifth of that to my payroll taxes. GG on surviving on that in Germany of all places. Arab immigrants get half of that sum for not doing anything, maybe you should throw away your passport and re-enter germany as a "syrian refugee". :P " Budget_player_cadet wrote: Do you consider taxation to be theft? Yes, if the taxes get wasted for nonsense projects (if taxpayer gets nothing in return). Basically the government should be considered as a corrupt monopoly. The bigger it is, the more it will "leak" money. The gov should take care of basic needs: police, military, courts, legal bureaucracy, infrastructure and health-care. And stay away from business and finances, because there the potential for massive corruption & "leakage" raises exponentially. When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness Last edited by morbo#1824 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:33:34 AM	Posted by morbo#1824 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:31:15 AM Quote this Post
Yes what else would you call it? Its just a big mob stealing your money. Worse it mainly gets filted to elites anyway instead of back to commoners because its easy to buy off 435 congress ppl in USA and get law written to favor u vs millions of people for business. (check out health care stocks pre and post obamacare) its no accident Gini index has exploded since socialism introduced. Anyway, unsustainable too you'll see. So will we but later. Essentially socialism is giving money to richest not poorest. Biggest scam ever Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:36:45 AM	Posted by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:33:00 AM Quote this Post
" morbo wrote: " Budget_player_cadet wrote: I'm only making like 900€ a month Brutto, and even then I lose about a fifth of that to my payroll taxes. GG on surviving on that in Germany of all places. Arab immigrants get half of that sum for not doing anything, maybe you should throw away your passport and re-enter germany as a "syrian refugee". :P " Budget_player_cadet wrote: Do you consider taxation to be theft? Yes, if the taxes get wasted for nonsense projects (if taxpayer gets nothing in return). Basically the government should be considered as a corrupt monopoly. The bigger it is, the more it will "leak" money. The gov should take care of basic needs: police, military, courts, legal bureaucracy, infrastructure and health-care. And stay away from business and finances, because there the potential for massive corruption & "leakage" raises exponentially. You get it morbo. "leakage" otherwise known as revolving door graft in USA. 200 million dollar a year CEO to $140,000 "public servant" and back again (deep state again) Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:56:09 AM	Posted by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:55:26 AM Quote this Post
" Aim_Deep wrote: Yes what else would you call it? I'd call it taxation. It's a fundamental and necessary part of living in a society. Without it, there can be no rule of law (or at least no enforcement thereof) and there can be nothing to protect your property rights beyond your own power - and god forbid that fail you. We can argue about where those taxes go (and I think you'll find we have quite a bit of agreement on where it shouldn't go), but first we'd have to get past insisting that it's "theft". Even if we insist on calling it theft, I'd say that getting robbed by the government a price I'll gladly pay in exchange for things like roads, public health care, social security, an active police force, an independent judiciary, and so on, and so forth. " morbo wrote: " Budget_player_cadet wrote: I'm only making like 900€ a month Brutto, and even then I lose about a fifth of that to my payroll taxes. GG on surviving on that in Germany of all places. Arab immigrants get half of that sum for not doing anything, maybe you should throw away your passport and re-enter germany as a "syrian refugee". :P I couldn't survive on half that. Or at least, it would suck a whole lot. I'm pretty lucky; my room is cheap and I share rent with my SO. My wages will go up considerably once I'm done with my ausbildung, so for now I'm being patient. I would not want to trade places with a refugee. Not even for a day. They have it pretty damn rough from what I've seen. Luna's Blackguards - a guild of bronies - is now recruiting! If you're a fan of our favourite chromatic marshmallow equines, hit me up with an add or whisper, and I'll invite you! IGN: HopeYouAreFireProof	Posted by Budget_player_cadet#3296 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:56:45 AM Quote this Post
" Budget_player_cadet wrote: " Aim_Deep wrote: Yes what else would you call it? I'd call it taxation. It's a fundamental and necessary part of living in a society. Without it, there can be no rule of law (or at least no enforcement thereof) and there can be nothing to protect your property rights beyond your own power - and god forbid that fail you. We can argue about where those taxes go (and I think you'll find we have quite a bit of agreement on where it shouldn't go), but first we'd have to get past insisting that it's "theft". Even if we insist on calling it theft, I'd say that getting robbed by the government a price I'll gladly pay in exchange for things like roads, public health care, social security, an active police force, an independent judiciary, and so on, and so forth. " morbo wrote: " Budget_player_cadet wrote: I'm only making like 900€ a month Brutto, and even then I lose about a fifth of that to my payroll taxes. GG on surviving on that in Germany of all places. Arab immigrants get half of that sum for not doing anything, maybe you should throw away your passport and re-enter germany as a "syrian refugee". :P I couldn't survive on half that. Or at least, it would suck a whole lot. I'm pretty lucky; my room is cheap and I share rent with my SO. My wages will go up considerably once I'm done with my ausbildung, so for now I'm being patient. I would not want to trade places with a refugee. Not even for a day. They have it pretty damn rough from what I've seen. Thats BS. America survived just fine before income tax. Had police army private property and no one died in the streets. many many nations still do. You really need to open a history book. Actually we did more than survive we went from poor dirt farmers and cast offs from EU to #1 nation in 100 short years. It wassnt will after WW2 commoner paid any income tax. All down hill since. Gini exploded. Was greatest creditor to greatest debtor nation etc. BTW unlike most on right I welcome all these immigrants. Go to their counties and check out taxes.. low low low. Especially Muslim countries. Most have no income tax. Just wait till they power. Do nothing liberals will get fucked. Honestly cant wait until western socialism dies. Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 5:26:51 AM	Posted by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 4:59:29 AM Quote this Post
" Budget_player_cadet wrote: I couldn't survive on half that. Or at least, it would suck a whole lot. You could easily, if you did some "non-taxable work on the side". Work illegally, deal drugs, sell "second hand goods", etc.. you have whole gypsy villages, where almost everyone is on welfare, but "somehow" also manage to own cars, houses, jewelry, weapons... When welfare becomes "lucrative" enough, people will start to opt out from work and rather receive benefits & do some illegal work on the side. Instead of working 8 hours a day and pay taxes, you work half of that, give nothing to the state and keep more cash at the end of the month. Everyone gets the same services (healthcare, infrastructure, etc.), because of "muh socialism", anyway. You think dem arabs you imported will just sit around and live just on handouts, or enroll in local criminal gangs, lol? Berlin’s criminal gangs prey on refugees for new recruits When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness	Posted by morbo#1824 on Feb 24, 2017, 5:31:46 AM Quote this Post
" Aim_Deep wrote: Thats BS. America survived just fine before income tax. Had police army private property and no one died in the streets. many many nations still do. You really need to open a history book. Wait, so property, sales, excise, etc. taxes are not theft? Luna's Blackguards - a guild of bronies - is now recruiting! If you're a fan of our favourite chromatic marshmallow equines, hit me up with an add or whisper, and I'll invite you! IGN: HopeYouAreFireProof	Posted by Budget_player_cadet#3296 on Feb 24, 2017, 5:32:20 AM Quote this Post
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" Budget_player_cadet wrote: " Aim_Deep wrote: Thats BS. America survived just fine before income tax. Had police army private property and no one died in the streets. many many nations still do. You really need to open a history book. Wait, so property, sales, excise, etc. taxes are not theft? Lies. The government would be Robin Hood ! Steal from the people to give to the people.	Posted by deathflower#0444 on Feb 24, 2017, 5:50:04 AM Quote this Post
" Budget_player_cadet wrote: " Aim_Deep wrote: Thats BS. America survived just fine before income tax. Had police army private property and no one died in the streets. many many nations still do. You really need to open a history book. Wait, so property, sales, excise, etc. taxes are not theft? No all are voluntary. Back in the day if you didnt pay property tax fire dept wouldnt show up as they shouldnt. Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 6:02:02 AM	Posted by Aim_Deep#3474 on Feb 24, 2017, 6:00:51 AM Quote this Post