LABYRINTH LADDERS - unfair?

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

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Cortanol wrote:

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

This is getting circular because your definition of fair is incorrect. It would still be fair even if literally all classes except pathfinder were disqualified from entering into the lab leaderboards as a rule or if all other classes had 36 hours added to their times. As long as every human person gets the same rules applied to them it's fair.

It is unfair since ladder says than ONLY pathfinder can make speedrun x2 faster than rest 20+ classes.

Last time I checked all players had access to pathfinder.

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Cortanol wrote:

Aha. Very funny trolling. Explain me then why there are rest 20+ classes if you want to make everyone play pathfinder? Explain or get deservely reported.

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MrTremere wrote:

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Cortanol wrote:

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MrTremere wrote:

These jewels are limited to one per character. :-P

That still allows to keep it in a stash in large quantities, right?

What will happen if a character that has been rewarded by speedrun jewel reward meanwhile he already has one? It will be deleted or placed in a stash?

I was talking about the amount you can use on the passive tree at the same time. There's no limit to how many you can loot.

As for the reward system, the question is what you want to incentivize. Right now, it incentivizes playing the most optimal character, and reaching almost perfect times. This means that if you won't do both you won't even attempt to compete. If you want to incentivize a diverse playfield, you need to have a reward system based on character class. If you want players to try to do their best, the it needs to be based on time without limiting it to the elite.

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Docbp87 wrote:

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Cortanol wrote:

Aha. Very funny trolling. Explain me then why there are rest 20+ classes if you want to make everyone play pathfinder? Explain or get deservely reported.

I mean ironically, pathfinder hasn't really had any buffs... It has been pretty much the same since 2.2.0, it just took 2 leagues for the general masses to catch on to how powerful it is. Shit, flasks have been broken LOOOOONG before that. Ghudda did his original "flask" build over a year ago, before Pathfinder was even a thing. They haven't really "changed" anything to "make everyone play pathfinder", people just didn't realize how strong it was until G'DAY ZEGGYDAY HEEYAH told them as much.

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zSavage wrote:

Also, for those of you that are arguing against this, you should know that it's the same person who gets the jewels in Merc and Uber, in both STD and ESC, every day.

Account name devoided, as anyone can tell by looking at the leaderboards. His profile is private so people can't copy his characters to try to compete with him.

But yeah, he's been getting the jewels from Merc and Uber every day pretty much from the time it was implemented. He started in STD, but seems to have moved to the temp league as well this time. His char from the temp league is actually faster than his STD one, so Essences must have improved his build he uses for this.

It's typically the same person (though not devoided) who gets the jewels from normal and cruel every day as well, at least in STD.

The leaderboard system reward system probably does need to change, and it's been discussed before. Possible ideas did include expansion of rewards to give them to more than one person per day. Examples were give one to the top of each base class, as long as they are all different accounts.

Of course, there's still problems with this (like one person making multiple accounts to try to get all the rewards), but it's at least a start.

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Cortanol wrote:

hasn't really had any buffs...
Master Alchemist
Nature's Adrenaline
Nature's Boon

Spoiler

Remove bleeding is also OP but it is not used mostly

So now people realised that it is a broken class and it shall be changed.