GGG & Priorities

You got a 24 hour ban for something that is considered bad to do in chat, just take it like an adult, and move on.

Next time don't dot-spam in chat.

When it comes to Linux ports, it is opportunity cost vs potential future income.

If GGG has to take 2 of their 3 developers for 6 months (made up numbers) to make a port for an OS that has less than 1% of users, the cost of that is too high vs what they can ever hope to earn back.

IF they after having implemented Dx11 finds that they have refactored their codebase enough to make Vulcan/Dx12 simple, then they might reconsider doing so.

- written from my Linux Mint work computer

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Gaza wrote:

You do realise that if all the mods are taking the same action, then they'll be doing what they have been instructed to to do?

Engrish?

The instruction shouldn't be to ban those that are combating spammers. That is just ridiculous. They should be combating the spammers themselves and then the dotspam wouldn't be there either.

And it's not a 24h ban, I've been banned for 2 days.

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Trainingmacro wrote:

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Gaza wrote:

You do realise that if all the mods are taking the same action, then they'll be doing what they have been instructed to to do?

Engrish?

The instruction shouldn't be to ban those that are combating spammers. That is just ridiculous. They should be combating the spammers themselves and then the dotspam wouldn't be there either.

And it's not a 24h ban, I've been banned for 2 days.

Wouldn't it been easier to close the chat?

That is basically some form of self justice. And I'm pretty sure it is against the rules to spam dots into the chat, regardless of why you are doing it. And you are not combating spammers, you are spamming I doubt they feel treated by this.

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Emphasy wrote:

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Trainingmacro wrote:

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Gaza wrote:

You do realise that if all the mods are taking the same action, then they'll be doing what they have been instructed to to do?

Engrish?

The instruction shouldn't be to ban those that are combating spammers. That is just ridiculous. They should be combating the spammers themselves and then the dotspam wouldn't be there either.

And it's not a 24h ban, I've been banned for 2 days.

Wouldn't it been easier to close the chat?

That is basically some form of self justice. And I'm pretty sure it is against the rules to spam dots into the chat, regardless of why you are doing it. And you are not combating spammers, you are spamming I doubt they feel treated by this.

Lets see how rational you are when you are dying... And to make things clear, I'm a software developer, if I treated my customers like GGG does theirs (on this issue) I'd be fired long ago.

Players use global for all sorts of things, to request help, ask if someone could buy them a skillgem (cuz GGGGG), ask for PC or where to find certain things within the game. Normal chat and functional chat is perfectly fine. But when a spambot gets in there it first of all won't stop until it gets banned, second of all, its text stays in the screen for fucking ages. And to make something else clear, if I were a spambot coder, I'd be sure to report anyone spamming dots after my message, so it's safe to assume that any statistic on reporting is wrong just from that. Even if you subtract those reports, you'd still get an incorrect result because people have given up on reporting the spambots.

It's probably because PoE is a f2p game and that they cannot please anyone, which makes the software ingineering comparison pretty irrelevant.

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Fruz wrote:

It's probably because PoE is a f2p game and that they cannot please anyone, which makes the software engineering comparison pretty irrelevant.

I'm not asking them to be there at my beck and call, but I am asking for them to be treating people fairly; which they don't. And it's not really free if you count the pretty much mandatory stashtabs either. That means that they are handing out their most effective bans to their actual customers. Banning a spambot is currently NOT effective: the message remains, the bot has done its job and will proceed to make a new account and repeat its actions. Heck such bots probably don't even get their ass past Hillock which would be the starting point to determine on whether someone could post large messages.

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Trainingmacro wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

It's probably because PoE is a f2p game and that they cannot please anyone, which makes the software engineering comparison pretty irrelevant.

I'm not asking them to be there at my beck and call, but I am asking for them to be treating people fairly; which they don't. And it's not really free if you count the pretty much mandatory stashtabs either. That means that they are handing out their most effective bans to their actual customers. Banning a spambot is currently NOT effective: the message remains, the bot has done its job and will proceed to make a new account and repeat its actions. Heck such bots probably don't even get their ass past Hillock which would be the starting point to determine on whether someone could post large messages.

Bots will always be a problem in games like this. End of story. GGG does their best to destroy them the moment they are spotted whether personally or by a program. Spamming dots doesn't do anything but add more spam. You act like the message being posted by advert bots is some sort of endorsement by GGG for those sites. GGG has stated that the bots get muted within seconds of their first post. After that, it is up to the players to you know, use common sense to recognize that those sites are not allowed, hence the loopholes the bot's messages have to go through to not get censored or whatever GGG does if they flat out dictated the website url.

Advert bots are really a non issue. Keep going about your day and act like the advert bot message never happened. If newer players want to assume that a fucked up message like that is somehow indicating that they can RMT and get away with it, let them try to and be banned. Everybody posting dots should get the freaking message by now. Spam is spam, regardless of if it is a bot or posting dots since neither add any real substance to the chat.

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

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Trainingmacro wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

It's probably because PoE is a f2p game and that they cannot please anyone, which makes the software engineering comparison pretty irrelevant.

I'm not asking them to be there at my beck and call, but I am asking for them to be treating people fairly; which they don't. And it's not really free if you count the pretty much mandatory stashtabs either. That means that they are handing out their most effective bans to their actual customers. Banning a spambot is currently NOT effective: the message remains, the bot has done its job and will proceed to make a new account and repeat its actions. Heck such bots probably don't even get their ass past Hillock which would be the starting point to determine on whether someone could post large messages.

Bots will always be a problem in games like this. End of story. GGG does their best to destroy them the moment they are spotted whether personally or by a program. Spamming dots doesn't do anything but add more spam. You act like the message being posted by advert bots is some sort of endorsement by GGG for those sites. GGG has stated that the bots get muted within seconds of their first post. After that, it is up to the players to you know, use common sense to recognize that those sites are not allowed, hence the loopholes the bot's messages have to go through to not get censored or whatever GGG does if they flat out dictated the website url.

Bots used to be on irc all the time, where they got a swift network wide ban. It even went as far that network administrators banned entire IP ranges. So it doesn't have to be a problem and preventive action can be taken. Twitch deletes the messages of the person being banned, so that is also an option. Forcing players to beat Hillock before getting access to global is also an option. There really are plenty of preventive measures that can be taken to prevent people getting their asses spammed.

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Advert bots are really a non issue. Keep going about your day and act like the advert bot message never happened. If newer players want to assume that a fucked up message like that is somehow indicating that they can RMT and get away with it, let them try to and be banned. Everybody posting dots should get the freaking message by now. Spam is spam, regardless of if it is a bot or posting dots since neither add any real substance to the chat.

This comment tells me that you either don't have chat opened or don't play the game. Advert bots fill 1/4th of the screen, that is AREA, with their garbage. Thus for as long as that message stays there, players are handicapped because they are missing 1/4th of their screen. The messages not only obscures the screen but stays on for seconds, which is pretty much enough for any player to run themselves into a death trap they cannot see. The dots take up far less and visual space stay visible for less than a second. So the dots not only scroll out the spam, they also hide faster. If you actually played, you would understand this.

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Trainingmacro wrote:

This comment tells me that you either don't have chat opened or don't play the game. Advert bots fill 1/4th of the screen, that is AREA, with their garbage. Thus for as long as that message stays there, players are handicapped because they are missing 1/4th of their screen. The messages not only obscures the screen but stays on for seconds, which is pretty much enough for any player to run themselves into a death trap they cannot see. The dots take up far less and visual space stay visible for less than a second. So the dots not only scroll out the spam, they also hide faster. If you actually played, you would understand this.

Just resize your damn chat window and you'll never have to worry about chat killing you. I bet you have it set to the max possible size...

And you think dots are the solution. lmao

That is still too large. I cannot reduce the height enough.