How to slow down the Clear-Speed Meta

Bring back reflect auras.

A large amount of the current meta is that you can offscreen things with zero risk. Reflect Auras give you something you have to play around, and by reintroducing them, you make it so that people have to actually look out for things.

People keep saying that melee is worthless and bow builds keep getting better... melee can control how many things they kill that are reflecting, bow users can too... if they can see them... force bow builds to be limited to the screen rather than further away.

welp. you just opened a pandora's box.

reflect won't work anyway. it'll only pigeonhole speedrunners to totem/trap builds. those who spearhead the clearspeed meta won't give a fuck about reflect, while only the common joe will get screwed over.

God no I'd quit well faster then usual.

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Gaza wrote:

force bow builds to be limited to the screen rather than further away.

With bow builds you can't stop yourself from shooting offscreen. Even with slower projectiles. Even without pierce/chain/GMP, you still shoot offscreen sometimes.

Your suggestion is not good. Limiting bow users to rain of arrows and blast rain, and forcing everyone to use point blank, is not better than the current situation.

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Your suggestion is not good. Limiting bow users to rain of arrows and blast rain, and forcing everyone to use point blank, is not better than the current situation.

Or you do less damage. We used to do it all the time.

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Barivius wrote:

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Your suggestion is not good. Limiting bow users to rain of arrows and blast rain, and forcing everyone to use point blank, is not better than the current situation.

Or you do less damage. We used to do it all the time.

And then you discovered Vaal Pact? :P

Instead of just killing people for shooting way off screen, how about cutting down the max projectile distance from its origin to something closer to a screen away?

The most absurd clear speeds are achieved by projectile builds that can cover a large arc. Nothing else hits targets that are a screen or two away.

Expanding reflect in its current form would be shitty. You would either go totem/trap/chaos to bypass the reflect or leech/VP/perma IC with juggernaut to tank it. It would just limit the hell out of builds because anything that doesn't have one of those options would have to tone their DPS way the fuck down to survive reflect so you just get even greater disparity between clear speeds and lower variety in builds.

As the area a damage can effect increases it's damage potential should go down and vice versa.

Not hard, no tricks needed.

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Instead of just killing people for shooting way off screen, how about cutting down the max projectile distance from its origin to something closer to a screen away?

Seriously, just do this. If the problem you perceive is the off-screen slaughtering, just limit that directly. Don't try to combat it with complicated roundabout methods like reflect.