How is it possible for COC to be unchanged?

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Tompos wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Why should it be changed? Self casters and self attackers are dominating this game with 5 min uber runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qvJBFTUBxs

CoC is weak sauce nowadays or at least weaker.

Stop living in the past. Shot gun is gone. Discharge is only really good COC left and it aint that good.

It's because of people like you build my CoC build even got buffed further, already was able to do twinned core with my eyes closed.


Keep spreading this information, i want more buffs!

Twinned is easier than single you know that due to more procs more leech way CoC works. They down faster. You get more back.

I'm happy for you. BTW you should pwn with 35 ex ammy, 55 ex boots, 75ex chest etx etc etc

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Aim_Deep wrote:

I'm happy for you. BTW you should pwn with 35 ex ammy, 55 ex boots, 75ex chest etx etc etc

God forbid anyone doing endgame content with endgame gear and an endgame build!

I am not sure if CoC itself needed a nerf (maybe a small balance), but I was hoping for some kind of nerf on CoC Discharge.

Imo it is way too strong and way too easy to play (just spin for the win, no need to worry about anything, not even mana cost) and extremely safe, because fo the huge amount of damage plus vaal pact leech.

The clear speed of the build is way too insane, and it is not too hard to make on a new league considering how powerful it is. A CoC dagger is easy to get, Voll's Protector is cheap (the hard part is to 6L, but it works fine with a 5L), don't really need the best CI itens right away (you can do fine with a 300 ES helmet and shield while looking for upgrades). The only thing that is expensive is the Voll's Devotion, which is perfectly affordable if you dedicate yourself into getting it, can even get a "bad" corrupted version.

Should be nerfed imo.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Why should it be changed? Self casters and self attackers are dominating this game with 5 min uber runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qvJBFTUBxs

So, your example is a Voltaxic Build (nerfed) using Frost Wall, the skill that only exists to be exploited, nice.

The other "low life blade vortex" was made in standard, but I agree blade vortex is pretty underrated.

The only example you can get are builds that are good for Uber, which CoC Discharge also is, even though it's not as strong, but it's so much better for climbing the ladder, for example, because the clear speed it has is amazing, and it's extremely easy to play.

Beeing better at killing Uber doesn't mean it is better than the CoC Discharge, not everyone care about that.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Pathfinder Master Surgeon is going from 20% chance to gain a flask charge on crit to a 10% chance. So it's a decent nerf to flask regen for crit builds as this was the node that most people took Pathfinder for.

It was always 10% man, it wasn't touched at all.

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Bars wrote:

How? Easy, I said it's fine where it is. Also, Havoc didn't play it.

Actually he did, but he died to academy boss with extra proj and chain while "testing something".

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Mannoth wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Is anything that can do UBER OP in your eyes? Are self cast fireball and arctic breath normal or under-powered because cause they cant? (they could BTW when shotgunning was here) Should everything be able to do it or nothing? I'm really perplexed how you arrive at your conclusions about OP.

No, OP skills are usually the ones that can without limits scale in ways others can't (Blade Vortex scales with just about anything...) or can achieve high DPS without much investments (Bladefall).

And OP builds are the ones that bypass the limits off normal skills (internal cooldowns, charge generations, mana sustain, cast speed).

Good luck pushing DPS on normal spells without broken mechanics.

Those differing mechanics are what makes this game interesting so it has more diversity than stand and channel your skills win or lose like most games. So binary most are. So i'll have to disagree with you. What does it for me is super cheap, accessible, trivialize content, and is far above other things. CoC builds do not meet this criteria these days. Mainly due to others things rising up and leveling playing field and more will rise after this huge buff patch.

Again ppl are living in the past bagging on CoC.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Those differing mechanics are what makes this game interesting so it has more diversity than stand and channel your skills win or lose like most games. So binary most are. So i'll have to disagree with you. What does it for me is super cheap, accessible, trivialize content, and is far above other things. CoC builds do not meet this criteria these days. Mainly due to others things rising up and leveling playing field and more will rise after this huge buff patch.

Again ppl are living in the past bagging on CoC.

You can have differing mechanics and still have them be balanced. When some skills/combinations are vastly superior to everything else it kills the build diversity.

Just remember the era of old Blood Rage+Lowlife and CoE+Pain Attunement. Differing mechanics which utterly shaped the meta and if you had a shavs+CoE you were miles ahead of every other chump.

I would rather not be back in a game where certain playstyles are vastly superior to everything else. Every build should have it's pros and cons, if a build excels at everything it's not really interesting or unique.

CoC started out with some cons and then during the last several patches every single one has been eliminated.

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Exalon wrote:

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Bars wrote:

How? Easy, I said it's fine where it is. Also, Havoc didn't play it.

Actually he did, but he died to academy boss with extra proj and chain while "testing something".

He played that one for what, 24 hours? And died. It doesn't count.

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Bars wrote:

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Exalon wrote:

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Bars wrote:

How? Easy, I said it's fine where it is. Also, Havoc didn't play it.

Actually he did, but he died to academy boss with extra proj and chain while "testing something".

He played that one for what, 24 hours? And died. It doesn't count.

Well, kinda proves just how strong and fast leveling it is, he got to level 94 in that period.

So havoc failed to get a coc character to lv100 AND died? shows how bad coc is.

He's gotten countless of other builds to 100 in shorter time without death.

Thanks for confirming.

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Exalon wrote:

Well, kinda proves just how strong and fast leveling it is, he got to level 94 in that period.

coc sucks while leveling lol

Have you even played it? You don't even use it until you reach a certain gear and level threshold and the threshold is particularly high for HC. It's just fucking Havoc.

@Mannoth: first off, what bugs me is everyone speaking of CoC discharge as if it's the only CoC build there is. Second, do tell what exactly is it vastly superior in? I can tell you right now it's neither top clear speed, nor top DPS. It becomes a good leech tank with excellent gear and high levels but feel free to go play it in HC and see how easy it is getting there. Newsflash: it SUCKS throughout a big portion of the game and it has weaknesses afterwards too. It's extremely good in some situations and sucks in others, for example not having a target to leech from and dying from lingering damage, damage over time or stunlock. And if you tell me 'blah blah cyclone - stun immune', I'll tell you you are talking out of your ass and have no actual experience with this build. It's amazing how easily you can get stunlocked out of cyclone if you're CI (the most popular recent iteration of the build). If you're hybrid or life-based, you have other problems.

CoC discharge is a well-rounded and solid endgame build. It's not OP, it can deal with endgame with good gear, which is the point of the game, and it still has weaknesses. Other CoC builds are excellent glass cannons, which can be pulled off with a ton of different skills.

I hate CoC , that is all.