How is it possible for COC to be unchanged?
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The cost of the build is probably one of the reasons it's not getting huge nerfs.
Vagan dagger 2ex Volls armor 3-8ex volls amulet 8ex Good ES gear 2-8ex The build isn't the most expensive but it's not exactly cheap either. |
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" Wat. Let me fix those values for you: Vagan dagger 10 chaos Volls armor 1-5 chaos (plus however much it takes to 5L it) volls amulet- optional 15 ex ES Gear- varies in price wildly. If you want top-shelf stuff, pay top-shelf price. I bet you could spend 2ex total and have a good character. Total cost to just get the build working: 15 chaos- assuming you don't A) get a dagger from Vagan and/or B) find a Voll's protector yourself (they're very common). Maybe throw in 100 fusing if you get really unlucky trying to link it. Honestly CoC discharge is one of the cheapest and most OP builds out there. All you need to get started is a 5l Voll's chest and a vagan dagger. The rest is just extra. |
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" Go see the video of his death, he actually tried to tank the academy boss with extra proj and chains, it was his missplay, not a problem with the build. I'm pretty sure the only character he leveled to 94 faster than this one was his VMS on the flashback perandus, which got nerfed. " Sorry, by leveling I meant end-game leveling, like 75+. Many builds sucks at leveling towards the end-game, but that doesnt matter, since you can get past it in like a day using some other build then respect. I know Havoc is not really the best example, but still 94 in one day is insane, even for him. The thing for me is that I don't feel it need that optimal gear to work, it actually works even without a Voll's Devotion, it would do much less damage, but would remain very good. Like I said, it can be played with just a 300 ES helmet and shield, and worry about the upgrades just later on. The weaknesses that it has, like you mentioned, the stun-lock CI problem, doesn't apply to all the players. I played CI Cyclone once, and you can play it careful enough to avoid these situations that can kill you, for example, be aware of obstacles that could make you stop spinning. Some players die with CoC Discharge Trickster because it is too much confortable, and sometimes they forget to pay attention to the game, but that doesn't make the build any less powerful imho. IGN: Exalon Last edited by Exalon#3446 on Jun 1, 2016, 3:31:32 PM
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Multi Moding a vagan dagger costs 2ex that doesn't include the cost to craft it
The 3-8ex for volls armor is about what you'd pay if you got one off trade sure you can link your own in 1 fuse but that's you Volls amulet is optional but not if your doing uber There are ES shields that cost as much as a mirror when I said good ES gear I was just talking about stuff you could get while chaos spamming around an a few ex worth chaos. I'd agree with you the build is cheap if you don't include the amulet but you aren't doing uber with the build easily without it. |
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It's good, it's just not as good as some people blindly or mistakenly make it out to be - that's all.
I've tried leveling it a few times in HC, always a failure. Leveling other builds is a piece of cake in comparison. It's great for SC where you don't care about dying, of course. But lots of things are great under these conditions TBH. The trick is reaching the point where it starts clicking and if you can't afford to die a single time in the process it becomes quite a bitch. Now, I'm not the best of players by any means and others have hit lvl 100 HC with it so it's definitely good... I just get triggered by all the obsessive hating. Like the guy who said "wtf all builds are CoC" while they are actually a minority. Or the ones who are saying it's the best build there is while there isn't a single thing that can't be done better by other builds. And, again, the other thing that triggers me is speaking under the assumption CoC = CoC discharge. Well, there's an easy solution to not get triggered by forum warriors, ignore pointless threads and move on. You have to be realistic about these things. Logen Ninefingers Last edited by Bars#2689 on Jun 1, 2016, 3:17:15 PM
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" Yes, I agree, but even that would be irrelevant for some player, because not everybody cares about doing Uber. VMS for example, just like Vaal Spark, was never Uber viable, but both of them got nerfed for their amazing clear speed. CoC Discharge is somewhere in the between, not as good clear speed as Vaal Spark, but it is still very good, and it is Uber Viable with the ammy. IGN: Exalon
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" So, having a well-rounded build with good clear speed and uber viable with a significant gear cost (speaking from the perspective of a temp league) is a bad thing how? That's exactly what I like about CoC builds, they represent what I think PoE should look like: you struggle to become powerful but after some time and effort, with the right plan and gear, you reach the sweet spot. I haven't actually played them as much as other builds, for example I played more incinerate in Warbands and Tempest than I have ever played CoC in all of its variations. I just like the concept and think it's in a good place. You have to be realistic about these things. Logen Ninefingers Last edited by Bars#2689 on Jun 1, 2016, 3:25:19 PM
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" It is not a bad thing, it just need some balancing, imo it is much stronger than it should, and it is much easier to get to that point than other builds. IGN: Exalon
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coc and discharge is okay , problem is with voll's(100% change to get pc)
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" Yeah but my point is discharge will probably not see huge nerfs because of how few people can actually play it just because of cost of the build alone. Like the amount of people in a league that even see that many ex is probably so small it would be a complete waste of time to balance around the build. Like nerfing discharge is just going to make xyz build under it become the meta. I would much rather see other skills buffed instead or a new opop skill released. Last edited by CalamityAOE#5632 on Jun 1, 2016, 3:35:38 PM
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