How is it possible for COC to be unchanged?

You don't need Voll's Devotion to do Uber and you don't even need a 6l unless you want to do Uber. You can do an inexpensive 5l CoC Discharge build and still faceroll everything besides Uber (probably Core Malachai too, but almost no one does him anyway).

Cyclone CoC with phys spells is just as retarded. Slightly slower clear because the AoE is lower, but single target is better. As Pathfinder you get free Poison 7l and infinite flasks so you can facetank just about anything.

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Exiled_Wanderer wrote:

You don't need Voll's Devotion to do Uber and you don't even need a 6l unless you want to do Uber. You can do an inexpensive 5l CoC Discharge build and still faceroll everything besides Uber (probably Core Malachai too, but almost no one does him anyway).

Cyclone CoC with phys spells is just as retarded. Slightly slower clear because the AoE is lower, but single target is better. As Pathfinder you get free Poison 7l and infinite flasks so you can facetank just about anything.

Unless your name is mathil you are not doing 15 maps and uber w/o 40ex in gear w/ discharger. Thats nothing new about half his builds I cant do uber with and he can cause mad skills on the mouse and KB.

Its actually expensive and slower compared to self casters like Blade Vortex Pathfinder/occultist essence drain occultist, bladefall mines occultist and on and on. Mainly because of volls need. rest of gear is equivalent.

But again keep living in past like 3 patches ago where CoC was king. I think GGG knows whats up and they are bringing up more skills to do end game, hence no nerfs.

CoC is surely top top tier guys. I don't know what kind of drugs you're taking but having enough dps to do T12 with right clic pushed and random faceroll on flask on a 15c invest is insane.

I really think tho, in my humble opinion that a flicker build would just do as good now. 8 ascendancy nodes is insane, if I wanted to tryhard an OP build I'd go with reave/flicker build just for the extra clearspeed at this point :)

Flickerstrike melts bosses and as always in leagues clearspeed is god hence it helps you maximising encounters/hours (prophecies in that case will be great I suppose, end game lab too)

On that particular regard, I'm positively sure that a CoC / cyclone would behave better than a bow build or a wand spark build

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galuf wrote:

CoC is surely top top tier guys. I don't know what kind of drugs you're taking but having enough dps to do T12 with right clic pushed and random faceroll on flask on a 15c invest is insane.

I really think tho, in my humble opinion that a flicker build would just do as good now. 8 ascendancy nodes is insane, if I wanted to tryhard an OP build I'd go with reave/flicker build just for the extra clearspeed at this point :)

Lol CoC is top tier for aoE sure but single target? It's fucking garbage compared to like my builds / if you wanna do uber very easily.

CoC isn't special or broken compared to my double dipping builds that I do and farm uber the first week like you aren't going to do uber CoC in a matter without investment no fucking way.

GGG probably poll their largest supporters and pretty much agree not to fuck with their builds.

It's retarded that they didn't nerf it.

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I_NO wrote:

CoC isn't special or broken compared to my double dipping builds that I do and farm uber the first week like you aren't going to do uber CoC in a matter without investment no fucking way.

I couldn't agree more and it's very cluefull doing a calculation like that, but what you gain on Ubber accessibility you're loosing it on other areas that are very beneficial in temp leagues.

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Kricys wrote:

A 6L and a devo make the build. Without a devo you might as well be playing melee ci. You will die, and you will die a lot without that amulet. It's painfully obvious you haven't played it. Sure a protector and a vagan dagger will make it "work" but your characters in the dumpster. The first guy was right on the money, if the build was as op and cheap as you claim it would've been nerfed along with the other 0 investment builds, but it's not. It's 20-30ex to get your foot in the door and then you take into account jewels, 6 double multi jewels can bump you up 200%.

Nah man, ask any streamer and they'll tell you that the ammy is just icing on the CoC-cake. I'd know, because I've actually played the build before

Vagan daggers are a dime a dozen, and the voll chest is dirt cheap too. This is why people are wondering how this hasn't been nerfed yet. 15c and the cost of linking the chest gets your "foot in the door" and then the rest is just end-game gearing. Will it kill Uber? Nah, but I never said it would. Will it clear Gorges in a few minutes? Yeah. Definitely. Will it allow you to farm mid-endgame maps very easily for the investment? Most assuredly.

I can farm as fast as that and one shot all bosses up to 14 with a 1 alc 3L weapon COC discharger is a rip off.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGlR67NtYt8&t=2m22s

I've played CoC discharge since 1.1 and meta has changed. ppl still playing it are living in the past

They won't change CoC simply because almost everyone has got a build around it with a huge chunk of time and currency invested in it.
I guess it fell in that ''monster we never intended to create'' stash.
Chris once said that about shavs,that it was never intended to be one of the hugest build enablers around,but by the time they could change it,there were already tens of thousands of people having hugely invested builds around it.

And besides as few people have already mentioned it,CoC is in line with other builds that require similar investment,in fact nowadays you have to go to absurd lengths to pull off a really well rounded cast on crit build in almost any league. Not talking about standard ofc,because who cares about that. You throw enough currency at any build and eventually it will start melting stuff,that's kind of where CoC is right now,and i am perfectly fine with that.