How is it possible for COC to be unchanged?

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lowerdark wrote:
self cast is still worse, you run up to a pack, you try to cast first, you fail you get chain stunned and you might die, coc cyclone ignores stuns and constant moves so projectiles in air dodges and before that, the pack is dead.


Voltspark is a self cast build... and packs die before you see them and before they even realize they are gonna die and then they die from 3 screens away... coc cyclone actually has to run in melee range...
The real hardcore PoE players and the elites sit in town and zoning in and out of their hideouts trading items. Noobs that don't know how to play PoE correctly, kill monsters for items. It's pure fact, it will never change.

Welcome to PoE.
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lowerdark wrote:
self cast is still worse, you run up to a pack, you try to cast first, you fail you get chain stunned and you might die, coc cyclone ignores stuns and constant moves so projectiles in air dodges and before that, the pack is dead.


One can be stunned or even frozen with 50 blades up doing DPS. She still goes down. SO no self cast is better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ozlCnr11zc

BTW less than 4 min... Still think CoC OP? (relative)
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Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Jun 1, 2016, 7:27:50 AM
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Aim_Deep wrote:
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lowerdark wrote:
self cast is still worse, you run up to a pack, you try to cast first, you fail you get chain stunned and you might die, coc cyclone ignores stuns and constant moves so projectiles in air dodges and before that, the pack is dead.


One can be stunned or even frozen with 50 blades up doing DPS. She still goes down. SO no self cast is better.


https://www.twitch.tv/blasting_cap/v/67026910


lol standard league rofl, also did you read what cyclone does? makes you immune to stun and you constantly move
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Would you people feel any better if I said all of those builds are bullshit that shouldn't be even remotely possible in the game? I think that would be fair.
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Pewzor wrote:
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lowerdark wrote:
self cast is still worse, you run up to a pack, you try to cast first, you fail you get chain stunned and you might die, coc cyclone ignores stuns and constant moves so projectiles in air dodges and before that, the pack is dead.


Voltspark is a self cast build... and packs die before you see them and before they even realize they are gonna die and then they die from 3 screens away... coc cyclone actually has to run in melee range...


Spark is nerfed tho right?
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raics wrote:
Would you people feel any better if I said all of those builds are bullshit that shouldn't be even remotely possible in the game? I think that would be fair.


Absolute. For years I've said all spells and range need a 50% DPS nerf. a) makes melee desirable b) you wont be able to just one shot bosses and have to play on a long haul fight c) discharge and other spells wont be able to LL through any damage taken

However I'm only "defending" COC discharge because it's not the worst and this thread is unwarranted with all the OP shit out there.

Git R Dun!
Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Jun 1, 2016, 7:39:25 AM
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Aim_Deep wrote:

One can be stunned or even frozen with 50 blades up doing DPS. She still goes down. SO no self cast is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ozlCnr11zc

BTW less than 4 min... Still think CoC OP? (relative)


Your opinion on what is good is so freaking skewed.
You keep linking builds that are either already using OP skills or using mirrored gear and saying "see? he can do it so the broken stuff is fine too.".

How about you link me a self caster fireball build doing uber?
Or arctic breath? Or any non broken spell for that matter (exclude the following: Blade Vortex / Bladefall).

No, CoC builds having 12k es + free sustain & high DPS is most certainly not fine.
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Last edited by Mannoth#4185 on Jun 1, 2016, 7:39:36 AM
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Aim_Deep wrote:
However I'm only "defending" COC discharge because it's not the worst and this thread is unwarranted with all the OP shit out there.

True, it isn't the worst and it's friggin expensive to do properly.

I'll still support the thread because I think CoC should be reworked from the ground up, not because it's broken but because it's boring. In retrospective, turns out that I ended up making much more CoMK builds than CoC, even though the implementation is awful, the concept is just more interesting.
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Mannoth wrote:
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Aim_Deep wrote:

One can be stunned or even frozen with 50 blades up doing DPS. She still goes down. SO no self cast is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ozlCnr11zc

BTW less than 4 min... Still think CoC OP? (relative)


Your opinion on what is good is so freaking skewed.
You keep linking builds that are either already using OP skills or using mirrored gear and saying "see? he can do it so the broken stuff is fine too.".

How about you link me a self caster fireball build doing uber?
Or arctic breath? Or any non broken spell for that matter (exclude the following: Blade Vortex / Bladefall).

No, CoC builds having 12k es + free sustain & high DPS is most certainly not fine.


Is anything that can do UBER OP in your eyes? Are self cast fireball and arctic breath normal or under-powered because cause they cant? (they could BTW when shotgunning was here) Should everything be able to do it or nothing? I'm really perplexed how you arrive at your conclusions about OP.
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Aim_Deep wrote:

Is anything that can do UBER OP in your eyes? Are self cast fireball and arctic breath normal or under-powered because cause they cant? (they could BTW when shotgunning was here) Should everything be able to do it or nothing? I'm really perplexed how you arrive at your conclusions about OP.


No, OP skills are usually the ones that can without limits scale in ways others can't (Blade Vortex scales with just about anything...) or can achieve high DPS without much investments (Bladefall).

And OP builds are the ones that bypass the limits off normal skills (internal cooldowns, charge generations, mana sustain, cast speed).

Good luck pushing DPS on normal spells without broken mechanics.
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