Soo these weapons with resolute technique...

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Geisalt wrote:

Hmm clear speed with marohi always sucked because it's SLOW, low dps means slower clean speed unless you oneshot every packs with an insane damage per strike. It's the purpose of EQ.

But to use EQ efficiently you need RUN SPEED. I suggest you to pick a

and

. Also a way to get onslaught buff. You could reach 100% movement speed, and therefore go away while the EQ is on the floor then you prepare the next EQ on the next pack.

By moving faster, you also increase your potential chance to stay alive, avoiding most ground effects and corpse explosions.

Note that it only works if you oneshot the packs. The "7L" of marohi plus it's base damage shall be enough.

I do not have the full gear and build so i cannot adjust my thinking to your case but!

Maybe get mana leech on rings or gloves

, slinther corrupted vulnerability on hit would be fine in your case? ok it's not cheap but an uncorrupted version costs 1 chaos. Otherwise, i dont know, an amulet with mana leech?

i believe that mana leech will fix your mana problems.



I agree CoC is OP, Brightbeak slam coc is the cheapiest CoC setup and and it's freakin powerfull. It's not the fault of vagan craft mode ( it's at best a 20% more damage if you have good accuracy 88-95% and good crit chance, it's utility fall down if you already have poarcher's mark or ways to reduce ennemies' evasion,) It's OPIE for CoC ok, it's very good but not the best for others setups.

BUT BUT BUT, melees are in a very good position right now. AND 2 handed is wonderfull, oro's or crit sword

Are the easiest way to reach top dps at low cost.
oro's get a 90K flicker tooltip on a witch ele build, with shock chill and 100+ ele penetration. It reachs 270K dps plus the burn boosted by shock/curse/pene so around 330K.
for 6K life 600 life regen but very low armor ;) it's not very balanced but it has 0 mana problems with mana leech nodes and regen.

Crit poison build with a good 2 handed sword (without abyssus) reachs 500-1M dps with flasks.
It's WITHOUT counting the passives of assassin class.

Thoses weapons can be used with a lot of builds, crit 2h sword poison is insane with viperstrike or frenzy or flicker. Oro's is very fun AND good with flicker, wild strike, lightning strike and other gem setups.

Marohi is only good for AOE, so you shall clear the entire screen with it. The best candidate to clean the screen is......... SWEEP, without conc effect, a lot of AOE in the tree and

are the best for CLEAN SPEEd with marohi.
Then you swap on EQ for bosses.

and drop this stun gem, it's useless for packs and you WILL NEVER stun bosses without the perfect gear and perfect tree for this... And marohi erki is unneeded in such setup.


Anyway, kongor's undiying rage is funnier to use.

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katchwi wrote:

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Yeah, ill stick with my flicker build.

Just a question, how do you reach 90k tooltip with flicker??

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Yes it is the fault of vagan weapons. Characters that should spend a lot of ndoes in accuracy now they just get their weapons with him.
Now that finally got the marohi 6linked, there is no point i should use it neither improve the gear of my character.
Ez 10ex. It went low in price because of those powerful builds. People realize that is not worth.
Not only is not worth, coc is funny to play, visually atractive and because its effective. Rip, nothing else to say, rip.

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krenderke wrote:

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katchwi wrote:

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Yeah, ill stick with my flicker build.

Just a question, how do you reach 90k tooltip with flicker??

"When everone is going to the wrong way on the one way road, then you should question yourself which is the actual right way."

At this point I start to think this is some clever trolling.

If you just want to wank over tooltip dmg, then remove fire penetration (if you ever used one) from your oro's, because it only gives you real dps, but not tooltip numbers.
Make sure to get yourself a facebreaker as your gloves, because crit multiplier gives a lot tooltip dps, you lose life, resist, any defense, and actuall useful mods, but it works, even if you have resolute technique, it just magically increases the tooltip.

Make sure to run all maps with shrines mod for afew chaos, so you can get dmg shrines, for additional real and tooltip dps.

And meanwhile I'll just roll away with a 12 tooltip dps bow build, that clears T12+ maps.

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Geisalt wrote:

12 000 damage tooltip ( flicker shows damage per strike)
with 8 APS

=

96 000 dps, so i said 96K tooltip but it's 96 000 dps, my bad :c

96 K tooltip is maybe doable with mirrored weapon + flask + aurabot... maybe... maybe not.

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Yes it is the fault of vagan weapons. Characters that should spend a lot of ndoes in accuracy now they just get their weapons with him.
Now that finally got the marohi 6linked, there is no point i should use it neither improve the gear of my character.
Ez 10ex. It went low in price because of those powerful builds. People realize that is not worth.
Not only is not worth, coc is funny to play, visually atractive and because its effective. Rip, nothing else to say, rip.

Well, vagan mod is only "op" in the CoC case. But it's because CoC is op even without it ! brightbeak CoC at 2.1 aps is funnier, but nobody use it becauuuuuuuuse.

anyway, hit cant be evaded + coc is op but it's not the fault of the vagan's mod, it's perfectly fine outside of the CoC realm. (you lose a potential mod)

The point of marohi is not to be a TOP gg weapon, it's to be a perfectly usable weapon for some purposes, to clear the screen with marohi sweep... then run to the next screen.

CoC is op, coc shall be nerf'd a day, but there is a lot of far more powerfull combos than marohi erki.

Blame marohi for it's lack of capacities, as i said, it's only purpose is to clean a screen with aoe. It's a cheap 1c weapon and will never be top tier. It's not a bad weapon, but it doesnt shine. Hey i use brightbeak + abyssus and an insane clean speed with ground slam poison physical damage. Same concept than face breaker but 20 aps ground slam is funnier.

Crit OP, plz nerf crit.

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sidtherat wrote:

i think that you are beyond hope

you know everything, you understand better than numerous guys that flat out pointed you are wrong, you are the uber player with uber knowledge

no you are not

you are obsessed with tooltip dps - not clear speed, not survivability/viability (i liked your characters but you decided to hide them. good move, there was nothing to be learned from them). you are interested only in tooltip dps. and as long as you remain that way your builds will be subpar not only to CoCS builds but to pretty much any build you decide to compare to

and 1600hp? dead men do no damage

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Perq wrote:

Why the hell would you need 200k DPS on your AoE skill for clear, when its AoE is terrible? o__o

Tooltip warriors never go far.

And if you want to argue, that game should work with whatever shitty setup you come up with, I think you need to get real - there will always be meta game, there will always be things that work, and those that do not work. You chose one that does not work (or at least not as good as you want it to), and refuse to change it in any way. I'm not telling you to go play CoC (because Cast on Cancer sucks), but instead you should try to listen to people trying to help you.

Or you can chose to be ignorant and keep on complaining about stuff. Then go on. But don't expect any answers or sympathy.

Ps. I also love how you pick on a dude with level 78 character, while you hide your own. Way to be a douche!