Hypothetical question: would you get banned if you knew how to dupe exalted orbs

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StDrakeX wrote:
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Shagsbeard wrote:
Yep... pretty creative. If only he would use his powers for good.

My theory is that OP is actually an alt account for a certain ruler who gave us drop bears...


There are tools to back that up if you want to look into them. They're strong enough, if the sample size is large enough, to stand up in court. Profs use them to check for plagiarism. They'll tell you if it's the same person writing based on a wide variety of standards.
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Shagsbeard wrote:
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StDrakeX wrote:
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Shagsbeard wrote:
Yep... pretty creative. If only he would use his powers for good.

My theory is that OP is actually an alt account for a certain ruler who gave us drop bears...


There are tools to back that up if you want to look into them. They're strong enough, if the sample size is large enough, to stand up in court. Profs use them to check for plagiarism. They'll tell you if it's the same person writing based on a wide variety of standards.

Do they take into account split personalities or if let's say the person was an author, and they wrote in one way in the perspective of one of their characters, a US army veteran when they're actually Australian?

Actually too much effort, gonna make soup instead
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lol I am usually annoyed with his "veteran" threads but..

that story stdrake just linked is friggin hilarious.

10/10 would read again.


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StDrakeX wrote:
This is your OP

Spoiler
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ivqancorp wrote:
Hello Recruits,

I'd like to share my story about how I had a run in with [UMBRA], and maybe this will shed some light on the types of people in [UMBRA]:

I randomly joined a group for a map not knowing who they were, but one person was from [UMBRA]. Well during the map. one of the guys was whispering me naughty messages. Nothing dangerous or threatening, but it just made me uncomfortable; like, "...did you see how we destroyed that elite? I'd like to destroy your hole like that if you give me a chance. :D" But, I figured I've already used my map so let's just finish.

Well midway through the map my mom had a stroke and I heard her fall, so I ran to go see what happened. After realizing what happened to her I ran back to my room and I told everyone in the group, "omg guys my mom just had a stroke or something I have to go! I am sorry!" Well one of the guys in the group responded, "Well if you leave then you lose your loot." I thought to myself, "What an AHOLE! My mom had a stroke and this guy is trying to steal my loot!" So we started arguing. I don't remember exactly what was said, but it got heated and the N-word was thrown around a lot.

Well after arguing for 10-15 minutes and calling each other names, one guy stepped in, Skyion, and he said, "Guys STFU his mom had a stroke can't you see? Look, you go to your mom I will save your spot and make sure no one takes anything." I thanked him and ran to call 911 for my mom.

Well after spending the night and all of the next day at the hospital, the doctors told me my mom was out of danger, but that she needed brain surgery, and also that our current insurance didn't cover it. Well at that point I really didn't know what to do. My mom was unconscious so I had no one to talk to about what to do next, and having spent 36+ hours at the hospital I decided to go back home.

I got home exhausted and sat down at my desk just feeling like crap. I noticed POE was still up, so I expanded it and I was still in the group. Everyone had left except for Skyion. I guess I moved my character because he typed, "You back?" Apparently Skyion was true to his word. Everyone had left except for him and he made sure they left all the loot on the ground. That morning we talked about everything, girls, school, things that people think are gay but technically are not, POE and of course my mom.

While picking up all of my loot off the ground, I started to cry because it reminded me of my mom cleaning my room; picking up my cloths (irl loot) off the floor in my room. Skyion tried to console me, "Chill man it will be okay." I replied back with a snap, "You're really cool Skyion, but you aren't psychic like Professor Charles Xavier and you don't know if my mom will be okay, so don't say that!"

That's when Skyion said something that changed my life, "Do you believe in angels?" "Angels? WTF are you talking about? Angels like wings and stuff?", I asked. "No man, real angels don't have wings. Look, check out this youtube video, it will explain everything."

He then linked this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxgsxaFWWHQ&feature=youtu.be

It made a lot of sense. Everything I had ever known about Angels was fake. Angels didn't have wings, or any of that common BS I learned about in church or Sunday School. I finally understood so much more about life and why certain things happen to you. Like how Gandalf defeated the Balrog. When I originally saw that scene in Lord of the Rings I was like this BS. How can an old man with a stick defeat a giant Balrog with a whip? And like why did this have to happen to my mom? How come I never got a mirror drop?

Well the next thing I remember is waking up on my desk. I was still in the map but alone in my group. I realized I had overslept, I was supposed to meet the doctor at the hospital in 30-minutes. Hurried myself, took a shower, got dressed and ran to the hospital. When I got there the nurse told me mom had been moved. I figured it was probably because we couldn't pay for the surgery so they moved her out of the ICU ward, so I gave her the finger and yelled at her, "I am not going to let you kill my mom you Fing B!". I started running all over looking for her, and then I spotted the doctor whom I was supposed to meet.

I ran up to him to uppercut him for kicking my mom out, but before I could say anything he says to me, "Relax, she went into surgery early this morning, it went well, and she is recovering. You can't see her right now, go home but tomorrow you can visit." I just shook my head in disbelief and didn't say anything, but my mind was spinning asking a thousand different questions. Our insurance didn't cover it so who paid for the surgery? Ganadlf? Angels? Was that video Skyion linked true? What the hell was going on? I fell to the ground and started crying, and the doctor knelt next to me and held me until I stopped.

I quickly ran home and got on POE. I tried to get answers but I never saw Skyion again. I shouted in General chat, I tried to talk to other [UMBRA] members, but nothing came up. Could he have been the Angel the video was talking about? I don't know to this day. I tried to Google more stuff on Angels, but most of the information was about Angels with wings which was BS. I even tried to visit the Pyramids in Cairo, Egypt for answers but I couldn't afford the plane ticket.

Well a few months later, my mom made a full recovery, and I now have a new dad. Sometimes I catch him looking at me in a peculiar manner, like we have some connection, like he wants me to do something to him, and I can't help but wonder if that's Skyion.

Well I don't want to keep ranting on, but the point that I am trying to get across with this story is that you don't need Health Insurance to join [UMBRA] or to live. If this story helps even one person make a decision not to support Obamacare then it was worth it. Thank you.
Spent 15 minutes arguing with people over loot in a game instead of seeking medical attention for his Mother? I am afraid I would not have returned to the game to tell anyone a thing and got on the horn with 911 as soon as I knew there was an issue.

I suppose some people just get enjoyment from trolling the internet with nonsense.

Spoiler
I'm pretty sure that post linked is a bullshit story but if it's not I feel sad for ivqan.
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if that's trolling, that's probably the most elaborate and creative trolling I've ever seen.

believe it? I don't know.
I wasn't going to believe that thread some time ago, where the guy said he wanted to reach level 100 before he dies.
and then I found out - sadly - he was serious, and it literally brought me to tears.
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would you get banned if you knew how to dupe exalted orbs


you would be banned only if you devs would found out that you dupe exalts.
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WTB my post that was deleted
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deathflower wrote:
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ivqancorp wrote:


I am speaking from strictly a legal perspective. I hope to go to law school soon, once I take my LSAT and score perfect. Meanwhile I like to just think legally. Legally it is possible for someone to make that mistake and think it is part of the game.

They can't ban your account for not knowing whether something is legit or a secret. Any attorneys here, happen to play POE, want to give us your perspective? It would be appreciated.


If they have such widespread game-breaking bug such as exalt dupe that can be done easily without any hack, they would have to take down the servers, fix the bug, do a rollback.

Nobody would be punished for it. If such eye glaring problems get through to release, It is usually the developers that need to be spanked.

BTW: How they deal with it is an interior process by the gaming company not some legal jurisdiction. Why are you asking an attorney?


Well the reason I wanted to speak to an attorney was because I wanted to know if I could get banned, I mean hypothetically. I know a lot of people are saying, "Yeah they can ban you for whatever reason" but the thing is I don't think they could do that, especially after someone has spent maybe $1,000 on the game. To ban them just on a whim or an innocent mistake they made, I think would be a contractual violation.

So just wanted an official legal answer, since I am not a lawyer yet, from someone who is. Could they ban a player for that?
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Deadpeng wrote:
You can get banned for even bringing up a thread relating to this...


Are you serious? Just presenting a completely hypothetical question and trying to learn more about the game? This doesn't sound right.
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鬼殺し wrote:
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ivqancorp wrote:

I hope to go to law school soon, once I take my LSAT and score perfect.


Good luck with that.

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ivqancorp wrote:
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Deadpeng wrote:
You can get banned for even bringing up a thread relating to this...


Are you serious?


If you're serious about law school, you might want to get into the habit of reading the fine print.

Here you go.

"Cancellation of Membership: Grinding Gear Games reserves the right, acting at its sole discretion, to refuse to accept your registration request for a Member Account. To the greatest extent permitted by law, Grinding Gear Games also reserves the right, acting at its sole discretion, at any time to cancel your registration and access to your Member Account or to restrict, limit or otherwise change your existing rights of access to your Member Account, or any specific feature or benefit afforded to you in relation to your Member Account, including without limitation in respect of any Virtual Items, if it believes you have breached these Terms of Use or any other agreements you may have with Grinding Gear Games or for any other reason whatsoever. In such event you agree that Grinding Gear Games will not be required to provide you with prior notice or explanation in respect of such action. Notwithstanding the cancellation of access to your Member Account in any case, you agree you will remain fully liable for any outstanding liability owed to Grinding Gear Games. Grinding Gear Games may also, where it believes such action is necessary, without notice block IP addresses of any users who have breached the Terms of Use."

At the risk of jeopardising your burgeoning law career by giving you a TL;DR, that basically says 'it's our party and we'll ban you if want to.'



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Contracts were meant to be broken. That's what good contract lawyers do. They find loopholes in contracts. Furthermore, if you take a closer look at your passage, it states :...if it believes you have breached these Terms of Use...". Finding a secret in the game doesn't breach the ToU. Also, any contracts over one year cannot be online. You need explicit approval. It's been more than a year.

That's a loophole I found myself.
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