just add gold and be done

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lupasvasile wrote:

Just give the people their gold.

As much as I like the current currency system, I'd trade it any day for gold just to shut these guys up.

Boring old gold in exchange for a nice clean forum and in game chat.

My sanity is much more important.

Just ignore them then.

On the matter, who needs gold, silver or copper? Really guys I fail to understand why you want the current currency system changed?

Many are perfectly satisfied with that system, well, maybe not perfectly, but it works!

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Ironsun wrote:

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lupasvasile wrote:

Just give the people their gold.

As much as I like the current currency system, I'd trade it any day for gold just to shut these guys up.

Boring old gold in exchange for a nice clean forum and in game chat.

My sanity is much more important.

Just ignore them then.

On the matter, who needs gold, silver or copper? Really guys I fail to understand why you want the current currency system changed?

Many are perfectly satisfied with that system, well, maybe not perfectly, but it works!

To summarize the points:

1. The benefits the devs attribute to a barter system in their dev diary have nothing to do with barter and everything to do with a lack of middlemen and resellers.
2. Barter has the inherent disadvantage of making it much harder to find people to trade with (i.e. more time spent spamming chat)
3. If the devs continue in the current direction, they'll end up with a system that has the worst of both worlds. It'll be inefficient and hard to trade like a barter system but with stable prices and deterministic wealth like a uniform currency.

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Strill wrote:

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tpapp157 wrote:

I'm still not sure why people don't see Wisdom Scrolls as a replacement for gold. It's the most basic currency in the game and you can up-trade it at the vendors for the other orbs. The only real difference I see is that you don't typically have millions of wisdom scrolls and they aren't called 'gold'.

Wisdom Scrolls have exactly the same problem that Gold in Diablo 2 has - inventory restrictions that act as a price ceiling and force players to use a pseudo-currency in order to get around it.

You mean to tell me that your entire inventory and stash are completely full of wisdom scrolls? That's 60 spots in your inventory and 576 spots in your stash for a total of 25,440 wisdom scrolls. Is that really too restrictive for you or are you just bullshitting? My guess is that latter.

Unless the devs change things so you can trade items directly from your stash, it's just the inventory size that matters. At 60 slots and 40 scrolls per slot, that's only enough for a bit over seven Orbs of Augmentation worth of Wisdom Scrolls, and even then it's incredibly annoying to try to trade like that at all.

So anything worth more than seven Orbs of Augmentation cannot be traded for using Scrolls of Wisdom, just as any item worth more than the maximum gold size of your inventory could not be traded for using gold in Diablo 2

3 scrolls of wisdom -> 1 Portal Scroll
7 Portal Scrolls -> 1 Transmutation Orb
4 Transmutation Orb -> 1 Augmentation Orb
4 Augmentation Orb -> 1 Alteration Orb

3 * 7 * 4 * 4 = 336 Wisdom Scrolls/Alteration Orb

40 * 60 / (366) = 7.14 Alteration Orbs per inventory size.

I think the thing people for gold forget is its all about opinion anyways, I subjectively like this system better. If you don't that's your opinion and that's great, but it is still subjective.

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Epicurwin wrote:

I think the thing people for gold forget is its all about opinion anyways, I subjectively like this system better. If you don't that's your opinion and that's great, but it is still subjective.

I think the thing people who say everything is subjective forget is that opinions are based on facts and reasoning which can be proven or disproven.

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Strill wrote:

I think the thing people who say everything is subjective forget is that opinions are based on facts and reasoning which can be proven or disproven.

An opinion is a subjective belief, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts. Opinions may be the result of a person's perspective, understanding, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. It may refer to unsubstantiated information, in contrast to knowledge and fact-based beliefs. However, it can be reasoned that one opinion is better supported by the facts than another by analysing the supporting arguments.

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Strill wrote:

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Epicurwin wrote:

I think the thing people for gold forget is its all about opinion anyways, I subjectively like this system better. If you don't that's your opinion and that's great, but it is still subjective.

I think the thing people who say everything is subjective forget is that opinions are based on facts and reasoning which can be proven or disproven.

I didn't say everything is subjective. Errr? Well I guess I kinda did, but I didn't mean to. I guess what I meant was that it seems to be a difference of opinion rather than disagreement on what the facts are. Sure maybe trading will be more time consuming, but that doesn't mean gold is better since whether one views something as better or not is an opinion. Some people may like the fact that it takes longer or is more complicated.

Opinions are based on facts but proving or disproving a fact doesn't mean it's logical to change one's preferences.

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An opinion is a subjective belief, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts. Opinions may be the result of a person's perspective, understanding, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. It may refer to unsubstantiated information, in contrast to knowledge and fact-based beliefs. However, it can be reasoned that one opinion is better supported by the facts than another by analysing the supporting arguments.

That depends on how one uses the term "opinion." If I were to say, "In my opinion that sky is blue." Than yes, evidence plays a wrong in determining whether it is supported or not. However, if I were to say, "In my opinion blue is the best color." No evidence will determine whether that opinion is better, worse, more or less supported than liking the color red.

The statement, "I believe that currency items are faster," is an example of the first form. the statement, "I believe that currency items are the best," is an example of the second form.

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Strill wrote:

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Regardless of economic theories, there still won't be gold in PoE.

So you're accusing the devs of being irrational ideologues who do things regardless of thought or reason?

Uh, no. That's what you're doing when you try to show them how fallacious you think their system is and say that none of their goals will be met. The devs have their reasons for the system they designed (I've said this before and we all have read the dev diary, so your above statement is ridiculous). Spouting theories and linking wikipedia articles isn't going to change their minds, since they've been hearing the same things off and on from a minority of players since they announced the system. They've been resolute so far, and they haven't shown any indication that they would like ideas for a new system. They've specifically used "no gold" as a feature of their game. It's not going to change because a few people repeat the same things GGG have already heard, considered, and dismissed.

It's still not gonna work.

There is way to make a good solid no gold system, PoE is far from it.

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Vindgar wrote:

It's still not gonna work.

There is way to make a good solid no gold system, PoE is far from it.

You're able to know this... how? I love all the doom and gloomers on these boards who can predict the future state of the game based off of the first iteration of a system.

Still, I guess it's better to read these "give PoE gold" threads then it was reading the "classes have no identity" posts.