imo Mana, Energy Shield and Leech are not good enough

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Miská wrote:

Simply because BM USED to be a easy way to fix mana problems. Right now it is mandatory most of the time,

you know why ? because EB and BM used to be easy ways to forego resource management, which you happily did.

they took away your precious EB and now you have to use BM, because everything else makes the game 'unfun' for you- you want a bandage plug and play solution

cant wait till BM gem is gone or destroyed. I expect the same outcry from the same people who cried about the old EB

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unless you want to annoy the hell outta yourself. Playing a clunky mana based char wich runs out of mana the moment you spam a button 1 to many times.

translation= you dont want to actually do resource management, you want to set it and forget it. well, that design is contrary to the design of poe

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Most of the people you argue with obviously have no experience with when you get to that point. Because it never used to be the case neither.

lazy, lazy conclusion that doesnt make any sense and just shows your line of thinking is irrational. just because someone disagrees doesnt mean people dont have experience in endgame. some people have been playing this game for 3+ years at this point.

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Miská wrote:

It seems you believe everyone is playing games for the same reason you do. People can have goals for themselves wich they don't need to explain to you why or how. Everyone really just plays his own game. Your insulting posts because you can't find anyone agreeing with your nonsense posts is slightly disappointing to be honest. Your opinion is not a fact, no matter how much you delude yourself.

it's exactly what you and op are doing as well actually. you want to make your way of playing the 'true' way. you also insult and then bring up your 'stripes' as a reason why your way is 'right', which is laughable to say the least.


your whole argument boils down to resource management - aside from bandaid solutions - being 'unfun' to you.
that is an argument of a kindergarten student.

a lot of things could be considered 'unfun' in poe. it's purely subjective. if you want to play set it and forget it, then say so. don't beat around the bush. just say it clear and loud and dont hide behind 'I played 12321312k hours and made 0xFFFFFF characters' and 'everyone competitive plays it that way'

say 'I prefer a resource management solution that doesn't require much investment and I want to set it and forget it, I want the game manage it for me automatically instead of me watching and managing mana levels.'

it's much clearer and you don't have to say bs reasons to defend your point.

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Seems like I am pretty late for the party, but OP :

- You are asking "What's wrong with the casters ?!"

my answer is :

- Everything.

casters are practicaly no-go anymore in this game, You can be a cross-classed weirdo or cheap phy demigod. done. clean casters which is/were worth more than a second hand BMW now are poor begars which can't even kill the final boss without die 100 times.

Mana pool ?! K .. OK .. whatever.. I dont care, I can live with even lower, but dudes ..

Final boss is hiting me twice as a caster, and i am close to 7000 ES. Guys .. WTH GGG ?!

Casters are not - "beat me - I am a mule" type players. nor they are "jump and run" players, so please show a mercy to our souls, and make at least our ES count, and our damage means something.

Currently the clean caster damage is equal to a mosqito trying to hit you hard on the cheek, and the energy shield is like you are going naked on the South Pole.

Please end this nonsense. Improve the casters, and for the god sake - stop nerfing them !

I agree mostly to snorkle.

IMHO, Mana reservation is one of the culprits and needs to go.

Recource managing in this game is binary and boring.

Mana as a resource is outdatet in games and I find other Recources more engaging.

Mana COULD be sureley made into an engaging resource, but I don't think its possible side by side with mana reservation.

I would not mind using mana pots if my gereral spellcaster had 1000 mana with some investment (up to 10 points) OPEN to be refilled, but that never is happening right now.

I also rather want EB to be an "interesting option" rather to be "necessary" like it is now.

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Vincendra wrote:

I agree mostly to snorkle.

IMHO, Mana reservation is one of the culprits and needs to go.

Recource managing in this game is binary and boring.

Mana as a resource is outdatet in games and I find other Recources more engaging.

Mana COULD be sureley made into an engaging resource, but I don't think its possible side by side with mana reservation.

I would not mind using mana pots if my gereral spellcaster had 1000 mana with some investment (up to 10 points) OPEN to be refilled, but that never is happening right now.

I also rather want EB to be an "interesting option" rather to be "necessary" like it is now.

I agree on that, mana reservation makes resource managing not fun.

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Miská wrote:

It seems you believe everyone is playing games for the same reason you do. People can have goals for themselves wich they don't need to explain to you why or how. Everyone really just plays his own game. Your insulting posts because you can't find anyone agreeing with your nonsense posts is slightly disappointing to be honest. Your opinion is not a fact, no matter how much you delude yourself.

it's exactly what you and op are doing as well actually. you want to make your way of playing the 'true' way. you also insult and then bring up your 'stripes' as a reason why your way is 'right', which is laughable to say the least.


your whole argument boils down to resource management - aside from bandaid solutions - being 'unfun' to you.
that is an argument of a kindergarten student.

a lot of things could be considered 'unfun' in poe. it's purely subjective. if you want to play set it and forget it, then say so. don't beat around the bush. just say it clear and loud and dont hide behind 'I played 12321312k hours and made 0xFFFFFF characters' and 'everyone competitive plays it that way'

say 'I prefer a resource management solution that doesn't require much investment and I want to set it and forget it, I want the game manage it for me automatically instead of me watching and managing mana levels.'

it's much clearer and you don't have to say bs reasons to defend your point.

10 pages of people who agree with OP. And then you and sidhe (Same person probably) It's obvious there is a problem. You just lack the experience to discuss this. I love how you changed everything i said and made your own version, then responded to yourself. 4/10. Try harder next time.

Bamp;)

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Miská wrote:

Without possibly knowing your levels, what builds. There is simply no way to even compare what you write to what other's experience.

yep, what sid says basically boils down to 'in my experience its never been a problem'... and thats fine but the game is more than sids experience. He talks about people wanting to run 6 links without investing anything in resources, like the person hes describing and directing these comments actually actually exists. Just making up positions no one holds, arguing against them and then expecting me to reply like anything he just said makes any sense when taken from the reality of who I am and what I am actually saying. It doesnt, sadly.

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yungwhiz wrote:

If you use reduced mana or mana leech in a 6 link. You don't have a 6 link. You have an overpriced 5 link. If you have to cut a bunch of damage nodes or drop a damage aura to use a 6 link. You might as well just stay on 5 and not pay x exalts or waste x fusings. If I give you 1 boost but I take away 1 boost in return. How many boosts do you have? What was the point?

exactly. At the point you are running reduced mana, mana leech or even bm you cant even afford to run a 5 link, otherwise your 6th gem would be something like blind if you couldnt afford any other kind of support gem. If your build cant sustain a 5 link then god help you. cyclone, windripper, fair enough, most of the time I think its people running ele attacks off auras on some sort of budget gem scaling attack setup. What can you say, things get ghetto on a budget, it happens, but lets be honest those are rag tag struggle builds, new league self found winging it day 3 messes. Blood Magic gem builds are not over powered, partly because they use blood magic gems. You would have to look back over 2 years to find a point in this game when bm gem builds were op or anything even worth worrying about.


But I didnt make this thread to talk about individual builds, Im talking about fundamental game mechanics and how they effect building characters as a whole.

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grepman wrote:

anyway, I already answered that- if you expect one thing to solve a resource management problem, you are playing inside the box and thinking inside one too. combine a bunch of tools at your disposal. vary your gameplay.
there shouldnt EVER be a thing you pickup and bypass all resource management for virtually nothing. it literally opposes all design ideas of PoE.

but you just want a plug and play solution. lets remove mana altogether and make all spells free. who gives a shit, right ?

I would never use a bm gem on a caster, ever. Thats what I think about the downside of bm gems. Only char I use one on is cyclone, because it sort of demands it. I make my builds work on mana, I dont have builds that dont work, if it doesnt work I scrap it and move on. Not talking about what I play atm, that works, thats why I play it, Im talking about what should work. You guys are on some "negative feedback = player doing it wrong must attack feedback post" mindset and the things you are saying are so misplaced. BM gems are fine, if the downside is so big that I wouldnt use it then its not op, if it was op I would be doing it. BM is a poor mans gem for poor mans builds in most cases.


grepman I know you mean well but I think you fundamentally misunderstand who I am, what my experiences are and the reason I am making these points. Youre talking to me like theres something you know about sustaining mana in this game that I dont already know, and thats unlikely. I think you mistake my motivations for posting and that is making you dismiss what I say, you are being presumptuous. So am I, my presumption is that I know all you know and have more experience putting it into practice than you with a wider range of budgets. Thats why this conversation isnt going to go anywhere. I already know the person you are arguing against doesnt exist, and for all I know Im completely wrong about you too. Its pointless, I dont feel like we are actually discussing the game.


If you sat down with my at my pc and I showed you builds for half an hour you would understand why the things some of you lot are saying to me are comical.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

I would never use a bm gem on a caster, ever.

And I never used it, period. Resource management should be a vital part of the game and the very existence of a card that says 'pay one socket to get out of jail' means that valid skill setups that can't be realistically fueled with existing resource system are expected to happen.

So? Do we fix the RMS or we introduce more GTFO cards to the deck? Apparently it's the latter. The system never really worked and it even managed to sink most of the closely related ones, like mana reservation, for instance.

I've tried writing some meaningful stuff about it over the years and saw even more written by others. Unfortunately, we saw absolutely no improvement to the core issues so I probably gave up at some point and embraced the suck. Anyway, nice thread Snorkie, I'll allow myself calling too late as there are hairs sticking out all over at this point, but it's still nice.

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Miská wrote:

10 pages of people who agree with OP. And then you and sidhe (Same person probably) It's obvious there is a problem. You just lack the experience to discuss this. I love how you changed everything i said and made your own version, then responded to yourself. 4/10. Try harder next time.

right, so because majority is always right, lol.
once again hiding behind the majority opinion. duly noted.

I did not change anything you said- you are now indulging in slander. lets revisit.

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Right now it is mandatory most of the time, unless you want to annoy the hell outta yourself. Playing a clunky mana based char wich runs out of mana the moment you spam a button 1 to many times.

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You might find that skillful, i find it just super boring. Mana management is just not fun. Right now you can just add the BM gem to 90% of skills and call it a day. Zero effort needed, zero investment needed.

you YOURSELF stated that investing in mana is 1)annoying 2)not fun 3)is remedied by slapping a BM gem on. did you YOURSELF not state this ? were these not your words ? SMH

lol at me and sid being the same person- we've had our share of big arguments back in the day. whats ironic is that while you yourself say that other opinions should be respected, then Im the same person as sid because we both have an opinion that is different from yours. it's hilarious really. everyone is allowed to have a different opinion, except one different from yours...LOL

and yet again instead of addressing real arguments you devolve into trolling stuff *shrug*