★ POE MARKET REVIEW - REWORKED★

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poe.trade makes trading efficient therefore it's bad and shouldn't exist.


Yea it is hard to ballance efficient trading and keeping trading alive. Balance that poe.trade created is very good IMO.

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Don't know if it's "automatic trading" if you can send someone a message with a traderequest while he is offline and when he is then online he can send you an answer with a price and you can accept it and the trade is done or you can give him another offer and he has to accept it to make the trade happen BUT (!!) both don't have to be online at the same time... THAT is all I ask for.



You can send PM on forum with offerts. Only think you cant make is selling item when you are not logged in. This is offline trading, this is souroce of great ammount of items in market. more items -> lower price -> more grinding. like I said.
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kamil1210 wrote:
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poe.trade makes trading efficient therefore it's bad and shouldn't exist.


Yea it is hard to ballance efficient trading and keeping trading alive. balance that po.trade created is very good

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Don't know if it's "automatic trading" if you can send someone a message with a traderequest while he is offline and when he is then online he can send you an answer with a price and you can accept it and the trade is done or you can give him another offer and he has to accept it to make the trade happen BUT (!!) both don't have to be online at the same time... THAT is all I ask for.



You can send PM on forum with offerts. Only think you cant make is selling item when you are not logged in. This is offline trading, this is souroce of great ammount of items in market. more items -> lower price -> more grinding. like I said.


Fun fact, most people never login to the forum... everything is automated by Aquisition or any other tool... oO
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kcstar wrote:
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kamil1210 wrote:
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poe.trade makes trading efficient therefore it's bad and shouldn't exist.


Yea it is hard to ballance efficient trading and keeping trading alive. balance that po.trade created is very good

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Don't know if it's "automatic trading" if you can send someone a message with a traderequest while he is offline and when he is then online he can send you an answer with a price and you can accept it and the trade is done or you can give him another offer and he has to accept it to make the trade happen BUT (!!) both don't have to be online at the same time... THAT is all I ask for.



You can send PM on forum with offerts. Only think you cant make is selling item when you are not logged in. This is offline trading, this is souroce of great ammount of items in market. more items -> lower price -> more grinding. like I said.


Fun fact, most people never login to the forum... everything is automated by Aquisition or any other tool... oO


Because creator of Aquisition or any other tool didn't though that adding PM is good idea (or they can't add it). PM bying isn't very popular probably because before other person will be online buyers find other items that they want or item they want will be sold. That is also why thing you want wont be very usefull without instant offline trading with buyout prices, wasted development. You can always add people to friend list and wait for them to be online and it can take ages because he live in different time zones and he play when you sleep or you are in work.
"Is there such a thing as an absolute, timeless enemy? There is no such thing, and never has been. And the reason
is that our enemies are human beings like us. They can only be our enemies in relative terms."
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kamil1210 wrote:
Because creator of Aquisition or any other tool didn't though that adding PM is good idea (or they can't add it). PM bying isn't very popular probably because before other person will be online buyers find other items that they want or item they want will be sold. That is also why thing you want wont be very usefull without offline trading. You can always add people to friend list and wait for them to be online and it can take ages becasue he live in different time zones and he play when you sleep or you are in work.


The f-list thing. Sure, but this doesn't work for every timezone. There are certain times/people that are never able to see each other online. Bad luck I guess.

You have no problem with tools like poe.trade or Aquisition but if I ask GGG to add this to their game instead of leaving it 3rd party that's bad? I (!!) will never put my login into 3rd party software, that's not a problem for ME, because I play mainly selffound perma hardcore and I don't have/want a shop.

Last... poe.trade makes trading efficient! And you said, efficient trading is bad. Still... without any 3rd party trading "system" like poe.trade/Aquisition this community will have a problem.
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Sure, but this doesn't work for every timezone. There are certain times/people that are never able to see each other online. Bad luck I guess.


Yea, this reduce ammount of items for trading.



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You have no problem with tools like poe.trade or Aquisition but if I ask GGG to add this to their game instead of leaving it 3rd party that's bad?

Im not againts poe.trade inside game or poe site. Where did I wrote that? I also didn't readed all your post but what you wrote to me isnt poe.trade inside game



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I (!!) will never put my login into 3rd party software, that's not a problem for ME, because I play mainly selffound perma hardcore and I don't have/want a shop.


I also never put my passowrd for poe on ther programs. Poe.trade dont need my login details. I use only poe.trade for trading and I trade without any problems. I have thread on forum with a lot of items and it is also no prbolem for me to eddit it.


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Last... poe.trade makes trading efficient! And you said, efficient trading is bad.


Yes, Poe.trade made trading more efficient and it apply to "more items -> lower price -> more grinding". Im not denying this because it if obvious. Even now people complain that most of items they found arent worth selling someone even wrote today: "unless you find a mirror, you can't really find anything worth something".

Too efficient trading create problems. Salt is also bad and overdose can lead to death. Yet without it some dishes would be uneatable. You have to maintain balance. I also don't think poe.trade is perfect.

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Still... without any 3rd party trading "system" like poe.trade/Aquisition this community will have a problem.


I have played game without automatic trading, without even site like poe.trade. Community found solutions for it. Played game where they added AH, and I experienced changes it made to game (even 2 times!). What I wrote about efficient trading is logical and I think easy to understand.

Automatic or offline trading will not make PoE better game.
"Is there such a thing as an absolute, timeless enemy? There is no such thing, and never has been. And the reason
is that our enemies are human beings like us. They can only be our enemies in relative terms."
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kamil1210 wrote:
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kamil1210 wrote:

Sure, but this doesn't work for every timezone. There are certain times/people that are never able to see each other online. Bad luck I guess.


Yea, this reduce ammount of items for trading.


This contradicts the social aspect of the game somehow in my opinion. oO

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kamil1210 wrote:
Im not againts poe.trade inside game or poe site. Where did I wrote that? I also didn't readed all your post but what you wrote to me isnt poe.trade inside game


Indirectly, because if I don't have to tab out of the game, use poe.trade/Aquisition etc... it's more efficient. Maybe that's hair-splitting.

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kamil1210 wrote:
Even now people complain that most of items they found arent worth selling someone even wrote today: "unless you find a mirror, you can't really find anything worth something".


I know, it was the first time I totally agreed with one of your statements ;-)

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kamil1210 wrote:
Too efficient trading create problems. Salt is also bad and overdose can lead to death. Yet without it some dishes would be uneatable. You have to maintain balance. I also don't think poe.trade is perfect.


Because WE as a community focus way too much on uniques I think. If rares are much more powerful than any unique I think we had a much better trading overall. It's easy to gather all items for an endgamebuild if you only have to fill 2-3 slots with good rares...


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kamil1210 wrote:
I have played game without automatic trading, without even site like poe.trade. Community found solutions for it. Played game where they added AH, and I experienced changes it made to game (even 2 times!). What I wrote about efficient trading is logical and I think easy to understand.

Automatic or offline trading will not make PoE better game.


Don't think it will work again without the tools we have now. I don't like AHs either. They have to come up with a solution to at least contact persons easily INGAME. Not via 3rd party tools/sites/forum... Trading is a main part of PoE (you said this in an earlier thread), I have to agree... THEN treat it if it's a main part of PoE, GGG!

... I think the only thing we disagree on this topic is the possibility to send someone an item while he is offline. I don't want a trade-scenario without any contact to other persons but I like to have a chance to talk/trade with people from Brazil/Australia/Europe whatever :o
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