★ POE MARKET REVIEW - REWORKED★

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Miská wrote:

1) That says more about you then about trade in PoE. I made alot of good friends in the time i played this game. Simply because i don't really care if it's all done efficient and all. Have a chat sometimes and people help me out or i help them out for no reason whatsoever.
Sure it does happen like that too, but who cares. You don't have to write a book with everyone you meet.

2) Nobody will say PoE trade is perfect. But it's far from as bad as you make it look like to yourself. What you propose is exactly the same as an AH but just less convenient. You actually believe anyone will buy anything from you the moment you go offline and you will undercut. No chance. Then we are back here with a new issue.

1) First of all, where did i write (or where did you read) that "it's all about me"?
Or should i have put some words like "trading in PoE in a nutshell" to avoid (really unnecessary) personal attacks on me?

Now seriously. PoE performs really bad in "socializing" ("trade socializing" or "collective gameplay"\"6 men party-play" whatever) and you can't deny it.
Lots of people can confirm that (both, about "trading in nutshell" and partying on mid-end PC)

2) And again, personal attacks. May i ask, WHY?
Because i wrote smth different from your point(s) of view?
Because you can't provide solid arguments and decided to go right to insulting? Good luck with that btw.

What GGG (not me, i want to emphasize this in case you went tl;dr) proposed were "a-sync trade tabs". And it's different from AH (and not "exactly the same, like you think).

Worst things about AH are (and the fun part the they are totally contradictive one to another):
a) market overflow (refer to my original post);
b) market shortage\market control because of the "wealthy ones".
How does b) work? Easy as hell.
Bored guy buys whole bunch of "item A" (let's say 1EX uniq) and instantly put those on resell with 200 EX price. Just.For.Fun

Simple question (well, two) which i'd like to get your answer to.
Why should i be online 24\7 to be able to sell (or buy) anything?
Don't you think that it's a very bad design? (i'm hinting to the timezones and stuff)

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Miská wrote:

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kcstar wrote:

Sadly 50% of players don't bother with "ty & gl" ... not efficient enough :(
If they want people "to socialize" force us to play in partys is in my opinion the better way instead of forcing us to use a rudimentary trading "system" oO

Wow, you want to force players to play in parties? What's wrong with you?

GGG forces players to play in party.
Or weren't you here for the last year to witness those marvelous patches?

P.S. By the way. I've never said that i have any issues with using poe.trade
Want the "X item", search, buy. Everyone happy.
But still. Why should 3rd party perform the task(s) which should've been implemented to the game (and by developers) in the first place?

Trade platform - made by someone.
Item filters - made by someone.
Skill descriptions, databases, wiki, etc was made by someone...
Even 3d party skill tree has more options and information, than original, lol.

MTX for teh wins!

Nobody has to be online 24/7. I sometimes am only on for an hour or so and still manage to sell stuff. Sure the more time you spend online the better results, but come on, more time investment = better results. It's almost like a real game.

No i don't think it's bad design at all. I think they wanted a trade system where people actually have to put effort into trading. Meeting people while you are at it. It was never ment to be an automated system. Keep in mind, this is just an opinion.

And please re-read what i said in your first quote bro, there is absolutely no personal attack there whatsoever. Again it's just an opinion.

That will be my last opinion for a while. 1m league is coming. When i read most of the post in this thread, i might get probated for speaking my mind. So censored it is. Keep living the dream guys. In the meantime i'll just trade without a problem and play whatever i want to play!

If I had one wish it would be, that xyz takes poe.trade offline for the duration of 1M, just as a "test" how the community works without a 3rd party feature 99% of all players rely on.

w/o 3rd party softwares like poe.trade the economy of patch of exile will be dead, and the game will be a giant ghost town.

While I do have some fond memories of people I traded with (even made two friends from random trades), I don't think GGG is making trading hard just so people have to talk to each other, it doesn't make much sense to me.

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kcstar wrote:

If I had one wish it would be, that xyz takes poe.trade offline for the duration of 1M, just as a "test" how the community works without a 3rd party feature 99% of all players rely on.

The salt would be of epic proportions, that's for sure.

Also Dortmund better win on Sunday else the Meisterschaft is already decided...

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Suzim wrote:

w/o 3rd party softwares like poe.trade the economy of patch of exile will be dead, and the game will be a giant ghost town.

No, people played without poe.trade before. If there wouldn't be poe.trade someone would create similar tool

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I really would like to See a reworked market, where i am able to put prices on things that can be traded without me being present and i Dont understand why this is such a Problem to implement.

Efficient trading is bad.


1. more common items for sale (common = all items that aren't suer rare)
2. common items price go down while rare items price stay high
3. most of good items isn't worth selling anymore now 99,99% of items is vendor trash instead of 98%.
4. grind to get rare items is now even higher and trading is best way to get items not killing monsters


Automatic trading is bad.

Now you have to meet other person, talk to her or him. This create felling of alive and populated game. This help keeping players in game because playing alive game is more fun than playing alone. Most of people who played at start of leage and at the end of it will confirm that.

Before someone say that "hi, my ho, t4t" isn't socializing. Yes it is. It make game feel alive, even smallest sign of game being played and beeing part of community is important. That is also probably reason why you cant log in into HO and you log into Town so you see other players.

Small trades is always chance for bigger things. When I meet people for my country while trading it always end with small talk at least.

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Trade platform - made by someone.
Item filters - made by someone.
Skill descriptions, databases, wiki, etc was made by someone...
Even 3d party skill tree has more options and information, than original, lol.

Like there is pattern in GGG content. Mayby they want game to be driven by community or something. ;-)

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kamil1210 wrote:

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Suzim wrote:

w/o 3rd party softwares like poe.trade the economy of patch of exile will be dead, and the game will be a giant ghost town.

No, people played without poe.trade before. If there wouldn't be poe.trade someone would create similar tool

poe.trade is older than PoE 1.0! It was ok back then with a very small community.
And you name it... without poe.trade someone has to create another poe.trade because it wouldn't work without after almost 3 years of poe.trade oO

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kamil1210 wrote:

Efficient trading is bad.


1. more common items for sale (common = all items that aren't suer rare)
2. common items price go down while rare items price stay high
3. most of good items isn't worth selling anymore now 99,99% of items is vendor trash instead of 98%.
4. grind to get rare items is now even higher and trading is best way to get items not killing monsters

poe.trade makes trading efficient therefore it's bad and shouldn't exist.

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kamil1210 wrote:

Automatic trading is bad.

Now you have to meet other person, talk to her or him. This create felling of alive and populated game. This help keeping players in game because playing alive game is more fun than playing alone. Most of people who played at start of leage and at the end of it will confirm that.

Before someone say that "hi, my ho, t4t" isn't socializing. Yes it is. It make game feel alive, even smallest sign of game being played and beeing part of community is important. That is also probably reason why you cant log in into HO and you log into Town so you see other players.

Don't know if it's "automatic trading" if you can send someone a message with a traderequest while he is offline and when he is then online he can send you an answer with a price and you can accept it and the trade is done or you can give him another offer and he has to accept it to make the trade happen BUT (!!) both don't have to be online at the same time... THAT is all I ask for.

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kamil1210 wrote:

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Suzim wrote:

Trade platform - made by someone.
Item filters - made by someone.
Skill descriptions, databases, wiki, etc was made by someone...
Even 3d party skill tree has more options and information, than original, lol.

Like there is pattern in GGG content. Mayby they want game to be driven by community or something. ;-)

Maybe... sometimes is GGG is mysterious. ;-)

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Xavderion wrote:

Also Dortmund better win on Sunday else the Meisterschaft is already decided...

Not that important... for me. The Lederhosen are not our level (atm). If we end top 4 in the end, I am more than happy :)