Caster CI / GR Leech Pathetic / Broken Builds

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Poutsos wrote:

This "we don't want anyone to use something for free" is one of the most idiotic statements i have ever read. It is hard to beleive a developer of PoE actually said that. Also there were alot of CI MELEE builds. If the situation is bad for casters, for melee is even worse.

With CI:

1)You are getting always stunned, shocked and freezed.
2)You cannot use life leech and life regen as effectively since the passives are that enhance it are on the other side of the tree.
3)You cannot use armour and evasion as effectively by default-especially after the aura nerfs.
4)You cannot use acrobatics.
5)You cannot stack block as effectively.
6)You cannot use flasks.
7)Using bloodrage now is far worse compared to life builds due to points 2 and 3.
8)You cannot use as many auras due to not being able to use blood magic gem.
9)It is already far more gear depended.
10) You cannot use life gain on hit mechanics.

But for GGG, bloodrage even in the current situation would be OP,lol. Even if Bloodrage was still "free"(lol) for CI builds, the builds would still be in a very bad situation. Especially CI melee. I remember alot of oldschool close beta players that were asking that CI should not have regen or leech at all, in order to be different than Life, but that came along with CI builds having REDICULOUS ES pool, like it did on close beta and more, since nowdays the game is far more difficult. So if you were able to stack 20-30K ES, then it would propably be viable this way, at least for ranged characters. It would still be next to impossible for CI melee.

I consider myself lucky that i stopped playing PoE 1 year ago.

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Mr_Obvious wrote:

This post deff needs a bump! Running a dw claw pact/CI/ghost reaver build at lvl 59 and something is broken:S If i remove the passives from CI and Ghost Reaver i have no problems life leaching enough to keep me alive, but as soon as i put on CI and Ghost Reaver i leech ALOT less to ES....

edit: not meaning to hijack this caster thread, but it felt like a good place to rant!

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Boem wrote:

@zSavage go hybrid and run life leach on ES and LgoH on life pool?

It's what i am going to try next :).(probably put vaal pact in there so its like energy shield on hit and lgoh at the same time)

No clue if it will work, but worth the shot imo.

Peace,

-Boem-

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zSavage wrote:

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Boem wrote:

@zSavage go hybrid and run life leach on ES and LgoH on life pool?

It's what i am going to try next :).(probably put vaal pact in there so its like energy shield on hit and lgoh at the same time)

No clue if it will work, but worth the shot imo.

Peace,

-Boem-

I've put a little thought into this, but threw it out pretty fast. Here's why:

1. You're the tankiest when your ES is down (basically LGoH does nothing unless your ES is down).
2. It would seem logical therefore to have a low amount of ES, but then you run into the issue of the ES won't come back very fast at all (rate issue).
3. Then you consider VP and the rate won't matter, but then regen can't be used at all.
4. You can't use Bloodrage at all with comparable ES and life pools (the change screwed hybrid even more than CI, in my opinion).

Basically, the conclusion I arrived at was that hybrid w/ LGoH + Ghost Reaver is strictly worse than going pure life and using both LGoH and leech, along with Blood Rage and life regen.