Aura Reservation and Reduced Mana Support Gem Change

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justinmm1988 wrote:

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KaytieKat wrote:

I was looking so forward to act 4. I at first thought wow new uniques, new gems new item bases I am gonna need more stash tabs. So I started saving up to buy a few extra bundles. But now not only am I not going to spend any more money on this game I am deeply regretting the money I have paid already. If I had known then this was direction of GGG I wouldnt have bothered putting so much time much less money into this. Since GGG's whole idea of "balancing" seems to be "what are the greatest number of players enjoying the most?--well lets put a stop to that"

At this stage count me in the group who is just enjoying their current chars while they can and is praying the beta lasts a good, long time cuz as soon as it goes live and all my favorite characters are ruined I doubt I will be wanting to stick around.

Kaytie

I feel the same, I don't buy anything because of all the changes they do patch to patch and I refuse too until their views on this magically change, which is not likely...and you can't call what they do balance, cause nothing gets balanced! Just destroyed, key things altered or removed, anytime the player gets a one up with a defensive piece or passive they swoop in and say "oh no you don't". I 6 linked cloak, never again will I six link something that relies on a passive game mechanic...never ever again, I spent weeks saving for that, now it just a sliver of what it once was...I would have to stack the ever living shit out of mana/regen nodes to get back where I was. I wish the expansion would just seize to happen, that's where I am at right now...just fuck it!

Shotgun Change > I can deal, it needed to happen.

New/Old EB > nah man, it was fine, could of put a slight restriction on it and been done with it if you disliked it so much, but nah lets change what it is entirely to something that's less appearing.

Aura Change > Was excited to see them being lowered, then the reduced mana gem bomb dropped, instant mood change. I should of knew it was too good to be true.

Jewel's > Neat, but you have to spent a point to use...already point starved, 1000+ point tree, we get 120...could of at least allowed it to be a pass through design.

I could go on and on, the only think I am excited for is the actually visual content, gems, and finally a dysnc fix option...the rest can go to hell, go to hell and die! lol

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C0Y0T3_SLY wrote:

Well.

I can see the reasons for removing the mandatory slot for reduced mana...except that you didn't. You just replaced with a much, much more rare and expensive option that (still) prevents you from balancing auras as if reductions from gear and dedicated passive were all that was available.

Nothing changed...if you have 50+ exalts in your stash and can buy up a lvl 4 Enlighten gem. Otherwise, welcome to screw town, population: you.

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Criptospora wrote:

It started with the atziri stuff, and now this.

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KaytieKat wrote:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3hrYhUQlI

Oh-oh....

Hi

After watching this it makes me even more frustrated. The deigner being interviewed makes it pretty clear the main goal of change to reduced mana was to stop people from using auras as much as they are. So suggestions for adding extra manareservation nodes or reducing reservation costs further will go on deaf ears since GGG does not want that.

He also makes it clear that change to enlighten suddenly making that option ONLY available to the wealthiest of plays the intent. So any complaints about the results of these changes fall on deaf ears cuz all GGG seems to be thinking when they hear them is "good those are the results we're trying for". The fact that so many are annoyed with those results isnt even an issue for them.

You can even see that when zena brings up how new changing to EB pretty much makes either going for zealots oath or ghost reaver pretty much necesary to get EB somewhat useful and that having to go to another keystone JUST to make another keystone useful is annoying and poor design. The designer doesnt hear that at all. He smiles as zeno says it and then goes on how he thinks its great that players are using other keystones to get the eb keystone to work. The fact that many of those players find it un fun and annoying that they have to do it isnt even a consideration.

It make sme frustrated and sad, I was looking so forward to act 4. I at first thought wow new uniques, new gems new item bases I am gonna need more stash tabs. So I started saving up to buy a few extra bundles. But now not only am I not going to spend any more money on this game I am deeply regretting the money I have paid already. If I had known then this was direction of GGG I wouldnt have bothered putting so much time much less money into this. Since GGG's whole idea of "balancing" seems to be "what are the greatest number of players enjoying the most?--well lets put a stop to that"

At this stage count me in the group who is just enjoying their current chars while they can and is praying the beta lasts a good, long time cuz as soon as it goes live and all my favortie characters are ruined I doubt I will be wanting to stick around.

Kaytie

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Aui wrote:

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KaytieKat wrote:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3hrYhUQlI

Oh-oh....

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It make sme frustrated and sad, I was looking so forward to act 4. I at first thought wow new uniques, new gems new item bases I am gonna need more stash tabs. So I started saving up to buy a few extra bundles. But now not only am I not going to spend any more money on this game I am deeply regretting the money I have paid already. If I had known then this was direction of GGG I wouldnt have bothered putting so much time much less money into this. Since GGG's whole idea of "balancing" seems to be "what are the greatest number of players enjoying the most?--well lets put a stop to that"

EXACTLY my thoughts! Agreed!

P.S.: forget about ZiggyD and Pohx....these guys are (in my opinion) "arrsse-lickers" => always saying "well done", "good job", "excited", "so cool" etc. etc. etc.
There is a youtube-video of Pohx he died because of desync, and he even justified his death saying 'desync' is part of the game. (Am I right that GGG will delete desync with 'the awakening'?) So - is desync a matter of bad programming or "part of the game"?
In my opinon these guys have no balls telling the devs a real and serious criticism.
{btw: have a look at Pohx's "Harry-Potter"-nursery with that bed in the background. Do you think this guy has a taste of "real-life"?}

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I sometimes wonder: what the hell is the intention GGG tries to destroy hundreds/thousands of builds/characters? Balancing? => no way!!!!! One example: if eldrich battery was/is too strong, then nerf it to "80%/70% of ES is converted to mana". This kind of nerf maybe would be OK in my opinion, as far as GGG buffed the other ES/Mana-notes. Anyhow, this means that players have to stack more Mana or ES-notes to compensate this. But completely changing EB ???

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This looks like another "misunderstood" change, ironically by both sides, players & devs.

The idea to "break down" the current RM gem into 2 different mechanics, one for reservation skills & the other for non-reservation skills makes big sense. You don't enforce new builds to adopt reduced mana gem in their builds and at the same time u use auras at reduced reservation cost to compensate for its removal, this sounds good for potentially all builds.

The new reduced mana for non-reservation skills sould find use in enough builds to warrant this modification, for examble not all classes have easy access to reduced mana cost of skills in the tree & this gem would potentially help save passive points in exchange for a gem slot, seems like a fair trade. You think you can get away with it then you don't use it and you don't spend a gem slot. This is the kind of change that promotes diversity & the sense of choice (which now doesn't even exist since everyone is using a reduced mana for his 3 auras). Now I have the choice to potentially use 4 auras (assuming clarity remains flat) in the same 4-slot group without one of them been reduced mana, granted enough mana from gear\tree is obtained.

The tricky part is the Enlighten Gem. The fact that you are planning for the Enlighten gem to reduce mana reservation costs even more that old RM gem did makes this even trickier. What I do like most about the Enlighten potential change is that for most builds that will use 2-3 auras this gem will not even be obligatory. And I find myself agreeable with the intention to make heavy aura builds (with Enlighten gem) not so easy to create and should require an "over average to somewhat hard" effort to do so. But you shouldn't make this gem very hard to lvl and in effect very expensive. That would be not good for the game.

Im not in beta so some of the above observations could be inaccurate, feel free to correct accordingly.

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This looks like another "misunderstood" change, ironically by both sides, players & devs.

The idea to "break down" the current RM gem into 2 different mechanics, one for reservation skills & the other for non-reservation skills makes big sense. You don't enforce new builds to adopt reduced mana gem in their builds and at the same time u use auras at reduced reservation cost to compensate for its removal, this sounds good for potentially all builds.

The new reduced mana for non-reservation skills sould find use in enough builds to warrant this modification, for examble not all classes have easy access to reduced mana cost of skills in the tree & this gem would potentially help save passive points in exchange for a gem slot, seems like a fair trade. You think you can get away with it then you don't use it and you don't spend a gem slot. This is the kind of change that promotes diversity & the sense of choice (which now doesn't even exist since everyone is using a reduced mana for his 3 auras). Now I have the choice to potentially use 4 auras (assuming clarity remains flat) in the same 4-slot group without one of them been reduced mana, granted enough mana from gear\tree is obtained.

The tricky part is the Enlighten Gem. The fact that you are planning for the Enlighten gem to reduce mana reservation costs even more that old RM gem did makes this even trickier. What I do like most about the Enlighten potential change is that for most builds that will use 2-3 auras this gem will not even be obligatory. And I find myself agreeable with the intention to make heavy aura builds (with Enlighten gem) not so easy to create and should require an "over average to somewhat hard" effort to do so. But you shouldn't make this gem very hard to lvl and in effect very expensive. That would be not good for the game.

Im not in beta so some of the above observations could be inaccurate, feel free to correct accordingly.

I agree entirely with what you wrote about, but the problem is that this isn't a misunderstood, we are discussing exactly what you wrote.

The problem isn't the removal of the RM Gem, is the 'not-so-Enlighten' part of the change, which is the cause of the this whole mess...

And btw, this thread has passed its limits, the real problem happening right now isn't even with the auras anymore. People, go out and read the other topics of feedback on the beta... You guys will shit your pants.