Why are so many buils behind a paywall?

Wings of Entropy is a good sugesstion indeed. They appear to have rather low physical DpS at first glance but profit from both 2H and dualwield nodes as well as getting the implicit dualwield DpS boost of 20% more physical damage + 10% more attack speed so a 295 pDpS WoE really has 390 pDpS. You can easily get even a near perfect rolled one for a few chaos orbs and reach 30k+ DpS in a 5L.
Static Strike, Molten Strike or Cyclone go really well with it or you could even use Dual Strike or Cleave + conc. effect for bosses if you want to go for two skills (single target + AoE). If you want even more damage and have some currency to spend, you can use it with a Bringer of Rain with a passive skilltree like this, which is an updated version of a build i did back in Ambush. The BoR isn't cheap but not overly expensive either at 1.5ex and provides an easy 7L at the cost of being unable to use a chest piece. The build is fairly strong without it but if you want that extra damage and links, it's a great option.
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Everyone starts off in this game (unless they are big cheaters) with no currency and all they can do is self found. DUH. Everyone starts somewhere. If you keep playing you will find currency to buy what you really want and you will find items that you can trade even if you have no interest in them. Don't see what the fuss is about really.
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CommodoX wrote:
I want the normal game: playing solo, beating merci, going maps. Solo. Selffound. With fast clearing speed and good survability.
Like you could in D1 and D2 without any problems.
They did even Übertrist naked in Hardcore because you wouldn't get gearchecked like in a cheap MMO everywhere.

But when playing the trading game is more rewarding than playing the actual game since Closed Beta (they didn't changed anything since CB in that case, great work) you just question yourself if the developers even play their own product?
From scratch, selffound?
Doubt it.

I am with you. I like putting work into theory crafting, not money into gear. I saw someone advertising a "budget build", that costs only 15 exalts. Yes, fifteen. This stuff is out of reach for me. When I plan a build, it has to work with selffound, 4L, and no (or at least no valuable) uniques. 90% of builds I am seeing here are boring and/or stupid and rely on at least one valuable unique. The others are smart and rely on at least one valuable unique.
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CommodoX wrote:
I want the normal game: playing solo, beating merci, going maps. Solo. Selffound. With fast clearing speed and good survability.
Like you could in D1 and D2 without any problems.
They did even Übertrist naked in Hardcore because you wouldn't get gearchecked like in a cheap MMO everywhere.

But when playing the trading game is more rewarding than playing the actual game since Closed Beta (they didn't changed anything since CB in that case, great work) you just question yourself if the developers even play their own product?
From scratch, selffound?
Doubt it.

CI? Forget it, 5+ exalts for shield + armor at least (you want sockets in that armor too? Poor bastard). It's like 10% of all passive skills are rendered useless because of the gearwall CI is gated behind.
Discharge? Sounds so funny but hey, remember that unique items you need? Oh, they don't drop for you so you are forced to trade and look at that price and just think "fuck you".
Ice Nova: just no
Glacial Cascade: just no
Righteous Fire: not really
Going 2h melee? If you're suicidal, try it. 1h+shield is so much better. Or 2x 1h.
And maybe some other skills / builds I forgot, tried the builds above all solo selffound, no way to get a fluent gameplay without trading.

Of course I could play one of the no brainer builds but I find them all so boring I prefer quitting PoE than playing with such skills like Summoner (sucks with Torment anyway) / Incinerate / Dual Strike / Fireball / Lightning Arrow / TS etc.

So am I forced into this boring set of standard skills mostly every Hack'N'Slay has because the interesting stuff is behind the "trade, win the lottery or die with medicro gear in merci because you need better gear for farming bosses but no better gear is dropping"?

I feel so.


i really get fed up when i read things like this
first every templeague player starts from scratch and often has only a handful chaos orbs invested in his build when he reaches maps
there are numerous builds out there especially for the transition from boring to exciting

plz learn how to play the game before you complain just an example hitting a 300 es shield would cost you max 15 chaos rolls
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first every templeague player starts from scratch

And they use Flameblast / ST / Arc / Darth Vader skill to level up fast, it's pure rushing through the non-existing content. Wow.
Of course you get items / currency faster when you just go FOTM for leveling, is that fun for me? No.

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ventiman wrote:
plz learn how to play the game before you complain just an example hitting a 300 es shield would cost you max 15 chaos rolls

There was NO other ES shield at poe.xyz.trade at that time. I got the best shield on the market. So please shut up.
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CommodoX wrote:
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ItsRay wrote:
Seriously you sound like you never played D2

Well, a 40+ CE is not something you see everyday, you need to be super fucking rich to reach even +10 skills.

But aside the Sorc with Frost Orb, exploding Fireballs, Chain Lightning there was Assasin Lightning Traps (those were the to go build in a new ladder because you needed nothing, no items, literally nothing), Warcry Barbs had AOE, Hammerdin (ugly guy with the aura bug but Blizzard decided to keep it alive), Java, Poison on the amazon could easily reach 100k+ DPS over the whole screen, Multishot, Ice Shot, Fire Shot, Strafe with Cast on Hit stuff etc.

And my all time favorite in Hardcore Selffound - DTail Kicksin, nice damage, nice AOE, full resistance, 20% physical damage absorption, max block, cool as fuck.


Not quite sure where this is going with D2 and PoE, two different games from what I've seen. Cookie cutter builds have seemed kinda of pointless to make from scratch. Level up and grab your items as you go. I'm not much on packing up and doing co-op runs, never have been. But when you look at a build that's already planned out and been built, it's automatically going to cost you more than you have or own just starting. If you want the excitement build it from scratch and keep running and making adjustments to the build. Not sure I've ever started a game with a "build plan", I tend to just play by ear or eyes in this case. Cookie cutters are nice to look at for help and some possible build solutions, but I've never ever seen them as the one build you should use.

As for D2 I've never been a viable sorc fan. I built my own MF sorc to handle the bosses or packs that would drop what I was looking for, try some PindleSkin runs and then ask yourself if self found is easy, it's not and never has been. I've done more than my fair share of self found, quite frankly it has never been "EASY BREEZY" A lot of work doing solo runs with max players in the game. And just in case about the Hammerdin, never ran a bot using one to chicken out when hostiled. I still prefer my build for Zealot.

Still playing D2 as it happens right now and Median though. You think PoE is difficult...Median XL is almost completely crafted gear. So, may be a mod, but it's more in depth that I can think of....remember "Cookie cutters and build guides are gonna be boring as hell, when you're waiting for shit to land at your feet."
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CommodoX wrote:
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first every templeague player starts from scratch

And they use Flameblast / ST / Arc / Darth Vader skill to level up fast, it's pure rushing through the non-existing content. Wow.
Of course you get items / currency faster when you just go FOTM for leveling, is that fun for me? No.

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ventiman wrote:
plz learn how to play the game before you complain just an example hitting a 300 es shield would cost you max 15 chaos rolls

There was NO other ES shield at poe.xyz.trade at that time. I got the best shield on the market. So please shut up.


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CommodoX wrote:
I want the normal game: playing solo, beating merci, going maps. Solo. Selffound.


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There was NO other ES shield at poe.xyz.trade at that time. I got the best shield on the market.


so you claim that you want to play selffound but use poexyz ? you just lost all leftover credibility
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Atlis_Dragoon wrote:
Not sure I've ever started a game with a "build plan"

I always do in games where there is no proper reskill solution.

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Atlis_Dragoon wrote:

and then ask yourself if self found is easy

DTail Kicksin selffound Hardcore. Not easy but I could progress while playing, step by step, was the perfect build in the nearly perfect game.

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Atlis_Dragoon wrote:

Still playing D2 as it happens right now and Median though.

I played Median XL Ultimate in the ladder, it's great but the 800x600 is just .... I played D2 for 10-11 years, on a 1920x1200 monitor you get a headach.
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ventiman wrote:
so you claim that you want to play selffound but use poexyz ? you just lost all leftover credibility

The term "want to" means I plan to do something in the future.
The term "bought" is past tense, meaning I did something in the past.

If you look at the world in a 3D grid you will notice that time is the 4. dimension and that there are different times because time goes on, that means that due to this fact, not everything that has happen, happens and will happen will do so at the same time.

I played selffound.
I traded.
Because I play since Closed Beta and had a big amount of temp leagues where I did different stuff. How else should I know that I dislike trading when not trying it??

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If you look at the world in a 3D grid you will notice that time is the 4. dimension and that there are different times because time goes on, that means that due to this fact, not everything that has happen, happens and will happen will do so at the same time.


Ok first, as a physicist, this makes me cringe in so many ways. Any who, you haven't ever really made it clear what you want help with. Do you want help with a good build that is viable self found? Do you want help on playing self found builds well? I dunno, if you're just here to bitch you're in the wrong subform. Either way, what builds do you think are gated behind expensive uniques?

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